Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00376)

Actually, the statement, "Nothing comes from nothing," means that everything 
must come from something. 

So, it's true what theosophy says, that what exists has always existed -- 
even as the "abstract motion [of absolute 'primal' space] that never ceases." 

Therefore, the "void" is not a part of anything, and must be the "Deity," or 
ineffable Divine source that cannot be known, and not something to waste our 
time talking about. 

But we can talk about "Theo-" (God) or that "causeless cause" -- which is the 
absolute existence of that abstract motion ("spinergy") surrounding that void 
(zero-point) -- or the "fullness in the emptiness." Isn't that where all the 
"divine wisdom" of theosophy must come from? And, if that God isn't 
something, how could it, or its "emanations" (Dhyan Chohans) create anything (or have 
a name we are not supposed to say? ;-) 

In any event, that "God" (Krishna or Christos) -- who represents the 
consciousness or Spirit of all that exists, can still say, "I AM THAT, I AM" -- which i
s everything! So, how can IT be nothing? 

And, that makes each of us ("I am's") really something, doesn't it? Cogito, 
ergo sum -- n'est pas?

Therefore, it's an absolute certainty that the "void" is nothing, and nothing 
can come from it. 

Of course -- we knew all that ages before Western philosophy (or any 
religions) even thought about it, didn't we? 

So, why not Buddha?

But, then again, the perennial question of Western Philosophy pops up... How 
can there be an eternal something with nothing to support it? Forget science, 
since that's none of their concern... Although, the closest they can come to 
even consider it, is to try to answer the "hard problems" of explaining the 
"experience of consciousness" and the "binding of mind to brain." Ha, Ha. Good 
luck. So, all they can do is wave their hands and say that the "complexity of 
the brain's neurology" does it all. (But, don't ask them, how? :-) 

And, it's a sure bet that those problems will remain forever insolvable... By 
either philosophy or science. (Wow! All that's left is theosophy... Ain't 
that the cat's whiskers? :-)

So, all we can do is take it for granted that that's just the way things 
are... 
And, leave it at that. ;-)

Th... th... th... that's all folks!

Lenny (who am still that)

In a message dated 12/23/03 8:51:42 PM, stevestubbs@yahoo.com writes:

>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>
>theosophy@a...> wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>> "Nothing comes from nothing." (Guatama the Buddha)
>
>If it matters, I think the origin of that statement is Western:
>
>Ex nihilo, nihil fit (From nothing, nothing comes.)
>
>The notion that the universe was created from nothing is in 
>philosophy known as the ex nihilo creastion.

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In a message dated 12/20/03 3:04:12 PM, Drpsionic@aol.com writes:

>In a message dated 12/20/03 12:43:47 PM Central Standard Time, 
>global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes:
>
><< 
> But of course - being a heretic you have difficulties in daring to face
>the
> truth.
> >>
>
>It is difficult to face that which does not exist.
>
>There is no truth and we waste our time looking for it. One must get beyond
>that silly victorian notion and deal with the void.
>
>Chuck the Heretic

And, that ("the void"), by God -- is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 
but the truth.

Didn't God say to Moses (and Popeye to everyone else) -- "I am that, I am"?

So, If I am also "that" -- then, so are you.

Where's the difficulty in facing "that"? 

(Or, do you find it difficult in facing yourself? :-)

"The true heretic is one who can see the voidness in everything and 
everything in the void, or the emptiness in the fullness and the fullness in the 
emptiness, and knows God by knowing the self." (Swami Dyananda Danoital) 

"Nothing comes from nothing." (Guatama the Buddha)

And, that ain't saying nothing. 
(Lenny who am that)