Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00312)

Morten wrote: <<But I don't assume. We talk 
about facts here.>>

It's interesting, if from my speculative 
perspective, that you use the word "facts, " 
but don't offer much in the way of whatever 
you might tend to see as somewhat 
more-specific qualifiers as to the sense in 
which you're using that word, in that, after 
all, in the context of anything like the 
"Esoteric Tradition" (which might be seen to 
have some kind of relevance on a Theosophic 
discussion list, possibly ...), one might 
wonder about a few "apparently relevant 
qualifers," say, that might be seen to have 
some kind of relevance in whatever "factual" 
and/or "speculative sense" ... ^:-/ ...

<<To speculate is ALSO to assume.>>

So ... ^:-/ ...

<<This is a fact - but of course not always a 
fact. If you disagree, then you are twisting 
the english language.>>

As I see it, in as much as one acknowledges, 
by way of however defined "speculative, 
"assumptive," or "factual" basis, that one's 
thinking processes, in general, in terms of 
karmic, dependent arisings, are essentially 
mayavic, then, as I see it, in that sense, 
all "facts" are seen as "esentially 
relative," and, in that sense, are, in 
essence, tantamount to being "essentially 
speculative," in that they are, (per their 
karmic promptings, in keeping with their 
dependent arisings), the 
individualistic/collective "interpretive," 
modelistic, mediumistic coping mechanisms 
that, in turn (in terms of their mayavicity), 
are to be transcended if one is to experience 
enlightenment. That is, not that there not 
plenty of "useful models and information," 
(that might be seen as "factual enough," 
say), but/"but" ... Or is that kind of 
reasoning too "circular" for you, as Leon 
might put it?

<<Yes. But maybe if you were to do - more - 
than just speculating about it,
you might put your HEART into the banging 
instead of only your HEAD !
(smile...)>>

More? Sorry, but seems to me that I have 
already made use of all the hearts that I 
can think/speculate heartfully about, and if 
that isn't enough ... Maybe if I were to 
start getting something out of some of my 
other organs ... ^:-/ ... or maybe that 
wouldn't be kosher, or something ...

<<I think you are doing - aeeehm... - fine on 
not being selfcentered.
Keep up the good work using your Heart in the 
matter.>>

Aeeehm ... ^:-/...sorry about whatever "less 
applicable" forms of "selfcenterdness" I 
might be prone to in spite of my speculative 
attempts to "heart over" such tendencies ... 
And sorry about confusedly scratching my head 
so often in public. But, not to worry, I 
still have lots of hair left over. And ...

Speculatively,
Mauri