Theos-Talk Archives (September 2003 Message tt00177)

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From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "Theosophy Study List" <theos-l@list.vnet.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: New to this Group


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>The foundation teachings of Theosophy rest on the UNKNOWN Principle,
concerning which, nothing is definable, yet it is the universal
>substratum of all.

Wry: This means it is a MATERIAL, and also, that it is not really unknown>
Who's fooling whom? We do not even need to put on our thinking caps to
follow this line of reasoning, as it is very obvious. In order to know and
verify that there is such a universal substratum, one would need to apply
against it (by which to measure it) a different kind and quality of
material, Since the different quality of material would be portion of the so
called substratum, it cannot define that the substratum exists, unless it IS
the sunstratum, which cannot define itself, being unknown (ha ha). This is
where the idea of monads and imprints comes in, but it is a faulty solution,
as it does not take into account the ffact that discrimination involves the
breakdown of material (in order to correlate this to that. (This part may be
a little hard to understand.). It is true, as someone has previously
implied, that this is all a teaching of the yogacharia school (of Madyamika
Buddhism), which is considered by the prasangika school (that of the Dalai
Lama, not that this makes it right or wrong) to be a lower form of Buddhism,
because in order to postulate all of the above, to verify that there is such
a substratum, the thinker needs to be a sort of entity, and all of this
subtly supports the false concept of self existing independently and
substantially subsistant, on its own side.

Of course, people of such a belief system can never address this point, as
there is no way to dispute what I am saying, except by expounding a belief
system. It is not my fault, so don't get mad at me, as I have nothing to do
with it, though I have plenty of my own stupidities, which I guess are
probably interconnected to the stupidities of other people. They are. On the
level of conscience, I am responsible. It is sad. In any case, it is not
pleasant writing this message and I am forcing myself to do so. Hope someone
has the sense to appreciate it. Sincerely, Wry


It IS, and is IN all THINGS and BEINGS....The whole universe is alive
and active in seven ways and on seven planes, all these are cooperative
and interactive. Spirit is its highest aspect in manifestation. Matter
is the pole opposite to Spirit, but has the same origin. The UNKNOWN
envelops them equally. Mind surveys them equally from a point of
balance between them.


The Spirit focalizes itself in those human beings who "permit it to do
so." "The refusal to permit it to do so is the cause of all sin,
suffering and sorrow"....


The perfectibility of mankind constantly provides the Brotherhood with
new members, and as such they assist nature, widen and deepen their
consciousness, and take on the responsibilities of their influence for
good in the harmonious, just and fair government of all... "This offers
a sublime concept of aim, and purpose for living. It agrees with the
basic yearnings of the soul, and it destroys pessimism and despair."


Man is a Conscious Spirit, and in him are conjoined Spirit, Matter and
Mind. His responsibility when he ascends to the human stage, is to
assist "matter" in spiritualizing and purifying
itself. Man perfected, becomes the conscious vehicle of Spirit.
To do this, man comes into "touch with all planes of nature."


The 7 principles of man as described,[Spirit, Wisdom, Mind, Desire,
Life, Astral form, and physical body] show that the divine man or
INDIVIDUALITY is a trinity, a thinker. It lives life after life in a
4-fold "personality." It passes from "house" to "house" by the process
of reincarnation, and in those embodiments it enjoys or suffers
according to its deeds, chosen by it in the past. The "Personality" or
temporary "mask"
(persona) changes from life to life according to the choices freely made
by each "thinker.


Karma is the process instituted by Nature to harmonize choice with the
effects of choice. No mind-man can escape the effects of his or her
choice.


The spiritually conscious man is immortal, and has always existed.. In
him is embodied this universally just and fair law of cause and effect.
He is Karma. In one life he is known as a personality, but in the
stretch of eternity he is one Individual, independent of name, form, or
recollection." The Individual is also called the Monad.


"Each man's life and character are the outcome of his previous lives and
thoughts. Each is his own judge, his own executioner...each, by his own
life reaches his reward, rises to the heights of knowledge...and power
of good for all"


Nothing is left to chance, or partiality, but all is under the
governance of law....His own spirit is the essence of this LAW. Right
ethics are ever the same: Universal Brotherhood.

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Additional sources for Theosophical teachings are:


H.P.Blavatsky : The KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB)

H.P.Blavatsky : The SECRET DOCTRINE

H.P.Blavatsky : ISIS UNVEILED

H.P.Blavatsky : The VOICE OF THE SILENCE

H.P.Blavatsky : ARTICLES (reprinted in )

13 Vols. of Blavatsky: COLLECTED WORKS (Pub.: T P H)

3 Vols. of Blavatsky: COLLECTED ARTICLES

A MODERN PANARION

FIVE YEARS OF THEOSOPHY

(Pub.: The UNITED LODGE OF THEOSOPHISTS)


Most of these are ON LINE at BLAVATSKY NET -- http://www.blavatsky.net


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Best wishes, and glad to welcome you,

Dallas



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-----Original Message-----
From: Davi V
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 11:40 AM
To:
Subject: New to the Group\

Hey guys, that's just one of that emails of a new person in the group.

My name is DAvi Viana, I am 20yo and I am from Brazil


I study theosophy for just a few years and I am very interested in the
subject. I wish I can share my small knowledge with yous, and I wish I
can absorb your
knowledge too.

Seeya!





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