Theos-Talk Archives (September 2003 Message tt00147)

thanks Tony,

You put it much more succinctly than I.

Adelasie

On 16 Sep 2003 at 23:52, Tony wrote:

> Dear Adelasie
> 
> <<<these teachings
> come from the Masters, who have done exactly that, gained control over
> all nature's finer forces.>>>
> 
> It depends on what "nature's finer forces" means, and what they are. 
> Is working with those forces the same as gaining control over them?
> 
> <<<By living
> the Golden Rule strictly, by gaining control of their lower natures
> absolutely, by practicing altruism with perfect devotion.>>>
> 
> This is how HPB puts it in "Occultism versus the Occult Arts:"
> 
> "It is only when the power of the passions is dead altogether, and
> when they have been crushed and annihilated in the retort of an
> unflinching will; when not only all the lusts and longings of the
> flesh are dead, but also the recognition of the personal Self is
> killed out and the "astral" has been reduced in consequence to a
> cipher, that the Union with the "Higher Self" can take place. Then
> when the "Astral" reflects only the conquered man, the still living
> but no more the longing, selfish personality, then the brilliant
> Augoeides, the divine SELF, can vibrate in conscious harmony with both
> the poles of the human Entity--the man of matter purified, and the
> ever pure Spiritual Soul--and stand in the presence of the MASTER
> SELF, the Christos of the mystic Gnostic, blended, merged into, and
> one with IT forever."
> 
> Apologies for sounding blunt, but "gaining control" comes over as
> lower nature and dugpa orientated. If we gain control over those
> lower passions we can then use them (and unwittingly or otherwise be
> used by them), but "when they have been crushed and annihilated in the
> retort of an unflinching will"...we no longer have those desires and
> passions, and therefore can't use them, and can no longer be touched
> by them. Best wishes Tony
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: adelasie [mailto:adelasie@surfari.net]
> Sent: 16 September 2003 8:46 pm
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World just a daydream
> 
> 
> Hi Eddy,
> 
> Your comments are very wise. What use indeed to memorize literature if
> we don't attempt to put its lessons to work in our daily lives? As far
> as I am able to determine, that is the very point of theosophy, and of
> all the world's great teachings. After all, these teachings come from
> the Masters, who have done exactly that, gained control over all
> nature's finer forces. And how did they do that? By living the Golden
> Rule strictly, by gaining control of their lower natures absolutely,
> by practicing altruism with perfect devotion. We have a long way to go
> to attain such accomplishment, but there is no time like the present
> to begin. And more may depend upon our making a beginning, and
> continuing to the best of our ability, than we could possibly imagine.
> 
> All the best,
> Adelasie
> 
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