Theos-Talk Archives (August 2003 Message tt00173)

Hi Dallas,

I just suggest that theos-talks articles can be saved
in CD ROM and sold as they are invaluables and also
more convenient .

Regards,


Bambang B 
--- dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:
> Sorry I don't recognize the reference. What
> articles? Whose
> ?Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
> ===========================
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bambang Budihardja [mailto:bambvx@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 6:40 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Past issues
> 
> Dear Dallas,
> 
> Sometimes ago you mention that the articles are
> archived under master list ? where can I find it ?
> Please advise.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Bambang B
> 
> --- dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:
> > Aug 22 2003
> >
> >
> > Dear Joe
> >
> >
> > This morning I have sent in some answers on
> similar
> > questions.
> > Did you see them? They were strongly worded.
> >
> > "Leadership" in Theosophy does not exist
> regardless
> > of titles and
> > officer-ships or any other thing. There are none
> > among us that
> > are not students and owe our knowledge to the
> gifts
> > made by
> > others who have "gone before." We might
> recognize
> > in some the
> > result of great study, and they may have unseen
> > faults we know
> > nothing of. But learning alone does not
> constitute
> > leadership.
> > We are on our own all the time and Karma sees to
> it.
> > The coming
> > together of those who are truly interested in
> > studying Theosophy
> > is because several heads, studying together
> > generally leads to better results for all. Small
> > groups of
> > students are generally the order of the day. But
> no
> > one may
> > pretend to "lead" the rest. Theosophy alone ought
> > to lead us all
> > to assist one another.
> >
> > The VEHICLE for Theosophical doctrines (books,
> > lettres,
> > associations, etc...) and truths is not the basis
> > and fact of
> > THEOSOPHY. The two are to be plainly
> distinguished.
> >
> > The basis and theorems of geometry exist
> regardless
> > of the abuses
> > made by users and students. An exact analogy.
> >
> > The vicissitudes and errors or successes of
> various
> > individuals
> > who have associated themselves with the modern
> > THEOSOPHICAL
> > MOVEMENT may be read about and catalogued as we
> > please. It is
> > the history of personal struggle by our
> > predecessors, and ought
> > to lead us to learn from what has already
> happened.
> >
> > But the history of those individuals working as
> such
> > in the TM is
> > not a criterion for the judging of THEOSOPHY. 
> That
> > judgment is
> > obtained by our devotion to study and to leaning
> > what it actually
> > is and how we can use it..
> >
> > THEOSOPHY IS NOT A RELIGION nor does it proselyte
> > for adherents.
> > It is an age old PHILOSOPHY which has for basis
> only
> > the
> > impartial and universal LAWS of all Nature --
> which
> > is considered
> > to be GOD - DEITY - in the highest and truest
> > sense.
> >
> > Mathematicians and Physicists do to establish
> > schools. They are
> > employed to teach laws of Nature -- impartial and
> > universal. So
> > Theosophy does not establish schools I would say
> > that our
> > present environment is this "THE SCHOOL" -- and
> we
> > are all in
> > it. That is, if we accept the idea that our world
> > and universe
> > are Lawful -- it has always existed (though under
> > other names).
> >
> > How does one go about to argue concerning
> arithmetic
> > or
> > astronomy? Or Chemistry ? Experimental results
> can
> > be
> > challenged and experiments repeated with great
> care.
> > But the
> > fundaments and basis don't change. We learn
> greater
> > detail of
> > the operations of Nature down to the vanishing
> point
> > of our
> > ability to record changes in energy and still it
> > runs UNDER LAWS.
> > Expanding our view of the UNIVERSE (we have such
> > marvelous new
> > telescopes) we find the same thing -- law and
> > harmony. Why
> > should humanity be suddenly excluded ?
> >
> > Why do we doubt that, that does not also pertain
> to
> > human
> > psychology and spiritual progress ?Why doe we
> doubt
> > the SPIRIT in
> > Man and are daily confronted with his THINKING and
> > his WILL to
> > make changes ? How this independence? What
> causes
> > it? Where
> > does it lead us ?
> >
> > The various Messages (and letters or words, from
> > whatever source)
> > have all to be taken in that sole context. The
> > opinions of
> > persons are still opinions -- Knowledge and facts
> > are for the
> > recipients and the senders to determine, not us. 
> Ow
> > as an
> > instance: How many are presently STUDYING the
> > MAHATMA LETTERS ?
> > Who knows those marvelous letter well ? Who is
> > studying The
> > SECRET DOCTRINE ? How many are conversant with
> its
> > contents and
> > methodology of instruction ? Reading once of
> twice
> > is no basis
> > for decision making. Are we to follow the
> > semi-literate? If so
> > what do we gain? Are not to study for ourselves?
> >
> > Ask yourself how many "Christians" really know
> their
> > BIBLE ? I
> > don't take the OLD TESTAMENT of the Jews into
> > account. But just
> > what Jesus taught ? Who honors Him with applying
> > his philosophy
> > ? Are we sailing under "false colors?"
> >
> > Under those terms only the MASTERS are true
> > THEOSOPHISTS, the
> > rest of us are STUDENTS, each in our own degree of
> > advance.
> > Making comparisons is therefore quite impossible.
> > All that any
> > of us can do is to show others what they have
> 
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