Theos-Talk Archives (August 2003 Message tt00162)

Hi Bart and all,

My views are:

I think there are other issues in the world, which has more importance -
than being concerned about worldly property and materialism. I know, that
nearly all the books are still in Denmark.

But as far as I understand your question, and if I reformulate it a little,
I will say that the Bailey groups around the world are NOT a centralized
movement being run from the Lucis Trust. But, there are many members in the
major groups - and the New World Order scheme - so to speak - are receiving
a growing number of members - because the present day audience are honestly
not interested in - shall we say - relics from 1888 or 1912. (smile...)

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The Guardians of Knowledge and Understanding - are the caretakers of the
renewal of the Wisdom Tradition. They will in due time renew the Wisdom
Teachings - and within the needed timeframe the 'new' teaching will
penetrate.
My view is, that the teachings written by Idries Shah is one such teaching.
www.sufis.org/shah.html (The publishers of Idries Shah's - books)

As Blavatsky said about which thought-systems and teachings Theosophy
supported:
None and All. We cull the good we find in each.

What good have you found ? And how do you relate to it ?

There are different teaching methods. Some learn by reverse teachings. Some
by allegorical teachings. Some by coded messages. Some by isolation and
others by other methods.
Assumptions and Wants about spiritual teachings is not Knowledge/Wisdom and
spiritual Needs of the groups.

My view on the matter:
The present day ordinary Theosophy is just like the big SNAIL 'running' down
Lovers Lane - to save the mate hanging from a cliff, somewhere down the
road. The Snail is saying to itself slow progress is good progress - haste
is waste. And then the notorious (NYC breaded) Wolf comes jumping by - with
the New World Order in the eyes. And the Snail just keeps on saying - haste
is waste and slow progress is good progress. And then the Wolf ate the mate
!
The "Cliff-hanger" so to speak - being one of the small theosophical lodges
here and there.
It is said to be happening more than one time every year.
Please, wake up !

When the The Guardians of Knowledge and Understanding renews the teachings
of the Wisdom Tradition, they do NOT make a teaching, which is REJECTED by
the audience !
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Some of the danish Bailey groups don't think that much of the - present
day - leadership of Lucis Trust and their Arcane School. And for instance
does some of the people behind Lucis Trust according to my knowledge not
really support Share International.


Here are some of the major links, which shows the - biodiversity of Bailey
teachings. The first link can be called a portal to a high number of links:

* NEW GROUP OF WORLD SERVICE: www.ngws.org ( Here are the major esoteric
groups represented)

LUCIS TRUST (Alice A. Bailey): www.lucistrust.org
WORLD GOODWILL : www.lucistrust.org/goodwill
ROBERT MULLER SCHOOLs (School of Ageless Wisdom):
www.unol.org/saw/service.html + www.unol.org/rms/howto.html
ROBERT MULLER (- homepage, The former Secretary General to the United
Nations !) : www.earthpax.net/Bio.htm
MAURICE STRONG (UN-representative at the Security Counsil and WIFE
associated with the New Group of World Service): www.manitou.org

ARCANA WORKSHOPS (Tom Carney): www.meditationtraining.org
JOURNAL OF ESOTERIC PSYCHOLOGY: http://www.sevenray.org
SEVEN RAY INSTITUTE (Michael Robbins): www.sevenray.org
WISDOM IMPRESSIONS (Lucille Cedercrans): www.wisdomimpressions.com
WORLD SERVICE INTERGROUP: www.synthesis.tc
WORLD TEACHER TRUST: www.kulapati.de
WORLD UNITY AND SERVICE: www.wustrust.com
WORLD WISDOM TRUST (danish and english): www.worldwisdomtrust.com (- I left
because of this one)
DEN GYLDNE CIRKEL (danish author Asger Lorentsen, claiming not to be
Bailey-oriented): www.lightweb.org/dgc
SUMMIT LIGHTHOUSE: www.tsl.org
PATHWAYS TO MISSION PEACE: www.pathwaystopeace.org

"WE THE PEOPLES" Initiative Uniting Our Strengths:
www.wethepeoples.org/member_reports.php



Did this help ?

from
M. Sufilight with peace...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bart Lidofsky" <bartl@sprynet.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World FW: In Defense of Radha Burnier


> Eldon B tucker wrote:
> > Here's an response from Pedro Oliveira to Bart's message. Since Pedro
isn't
> > subscribed, the message bounced to me. I wrote him about it and he said
he'd
> > like it forwarded to the list.
>
> Thank you, Eldon. I have a couple of early comments, but I want to
> reserve complete comments until I check out a couple of sources that may
> back up Pedro's account. I have met Pedro, and, from my own experience
> and all accounts, find him to be an honorable person. I therefore have
> no reason to doubt his sincerity or honesty. I am therefore assuming his
> information is correct.
>
> > Having worked with Radha Burnier for four and half years (1992-1996)
> > at Adyar I would like to set the record straigth regarding numerous
> > accusations against her in this forum. She is the constitutionally
> > elected President of the Theosophical Society, with International
> > Headquarters at Adyar, since 1980, and re-elected ever since by the
> > overwhelming majority of members of that Society.
>
> A) Most members of the Society have no idea what is going on
> politically. Any communication between members other than the official
> channels has been strongly discouraged. It is virtually impossible for
> any member opposing the administration to get their objections heard,
> except by a handful.
>
> B) NOBODY here has questioned the legality of what Radha did. The
> International Bylaws clearly give the President the ability to withdraw
> the charter of any section, at any time, for any reason. She can quite
> legally withdraw the charter of a section because she doesn't like the
> color of the President's eyes, if she wants. It doesn't mean that she
> SHOULD.
>
> > CANADA: In December 1991, at the General Council meeting, Radha
> > Burnier put before the Council the fact that the then Canadian
> > Section of the TS had ammended its Rules and in doing so had
> > eliminated each and every reference to the International Headquarters
> > at Adyar. The Rules of the TS say that every Section (as well as
> > every Lodge/Branch) derives its Charter (and existence) from the
> > Parent Society. After examining the question the General Council
> > decided that by ignoring the Rules of the TS and eliminating all
> > references to the International Headquarters from its rules, the
> > Canadian Section had cut itself off from the Parent Society. There
> > was no "excommunication".
>
> The Canadian Section was forced to do this by the Canadian Government
> in order to retain their not-for-profit status. According to members of
> the dissolved section with whom I have discussed the issue, there was
> absolutely no attempt by Adyar to work out some sort of solution.
>
> In the cases of Yugoslavia and Denmark, I am curious as to whether or
> not there was evidence that there was gong to be an attempt of transfer
> of property to either New Acropolis, the Arcane School, or the Lucis
> Trust (and if the Danish group's property has been transferred to either
> the Arcane School or the Lucis Trust since. Mort?).
>
> Bart Lidofsky
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