Theos-Talk Archives (August 2003 Message tt00132)

Dear Leon,

Looking through some of the citations recommended by Dallas for Mars 
in the SD led me to looking up Mahabharata. The following appears on 
page 394-5 of Volume II of the SD, and may bear on your question.

"Now if we compare the 9,000 years mentioned by the Persian tales 
with the 9,000 years, which Plato declared had passed since the 
submersion of the last Atlantis, a very strange fact is made 
apparent, Bailly remarked, but distorted it by his interpretation. 
The Secret Doctrine may restore the figures to their true meaning. 
'First of all,' we read in 'Critias' that 'one must rememger that 
9,000 years have elapsed since the war of the nations, which lived 
above and outside the Pillares of Hercules, and those which peopled 
the lands on this side.'

"In 'Timeus' Plato says the same. The Secret Doctrine declaring that 
most of the later islander Atlanteans perished in the interval 
between 850,000 and 700,000 years ago, and that the Aryans were 
200,000 years old when the first great 'island' or continent was 
submerged, there hardly seems any reconciliation possible between the 
figures. But there is, in truth. Plato, being an Initiate, had to use 
the veiled language of the Sanctuary, and so had the Magi of Chaldea 
and Persia, through whose exoteric revelations the Persian legends 
were preserved and passed to posterity. Thus, one finds the Hebrews 
calling a week 'seven days,' and 'a week of years' when each of its 
days represents 360 solar years, and the whole 'week' is 2520 years, 
in fact. They had a Sabbatical week, a Sabbatical year, etc., etc., 
and their S abbath lasted indifferently 24 hours or 24,000 years--in 
their secret calculations of the Sods. We of the present times call 
an age a century. They of Plato's day, the initiated writers, at any 
rate, meant by a millennium, not a thousand but 100,000 years; 
Hindus, more independent than any, never concealed their chronology. 
Thus, when saying 9,000 years, the Initiates will read 900,000 years, 
during which space of time--i.e., from the first appearance of the 
Aryan race, when the Pliocene portions of the once great Atlantis 
began gradually sinking and other continents to appear on the 
surface, down to the final disappearance of Plato's small island of 
Atlantis, the Aryan races had never ceased to fight with the 
descendents of the first giant races. This war lasted till nearly 
the close of the age which preceded the Kali Yug, and was the 
Mahabharatean war so famous in Indian history. Such blending of the 
events and epochs, and the bringing down of hundreds of thousands 
into thousands of years, does not interfere with the numbers of years 
that had elapsed, according to the statement made by the Egyptian 
priests to Solon, since the destruction of the last portion of 
Atlantis. The 9,000 years were the correct figures given. The latter 
event has never been kept a secret, and had only faded out of the 
memory of the Greeks. The Egyptians had their records complete, 
because isolated; for, being surrounded by sea and desert, they had 
been left untrammelled by other nations, till about a few millenniums 
before our era."

On 23 Aug 2003 at 16:14, leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 08/23/03 11:50:31 AM, stevestubbs@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> 
> >> Judging by the endless wars, with the threat of mass extermination,
> >> 
> 
> >> that are now proliferating all around the globe, the closeness of
> >> Mars 
> 
> >> (known from antiquity as the "planet of war") might be an
> >> astrological 
> 
> >> sign that we are entering a critical phase of human evolution
> >> which, 
> perhaps, 
> >> reflects the great Mahabarata war that may have taken place around
> >> 60 thousand years ago (when Mars was also close) during the last
> >> stages of the destruction of Atlantis and the beginnings of the new
> >> civilizations represented by the ancient Chinese, Egyptians,
> >> Brahmans, Mayans, Aztecs, etc. -- that scattered in far distant
> >> places around the world after that 
> time. 
> >> Does anyone have any theosophical references that might verify this
> >> possibility?
> 
> 
> >You are probably right except for the date of the Mahabharata war. 
> 
> >If Krishna died 3001 BCE, as the SD asserts he did, then the 
> 
> >Mahabharata war must have taken place just prior to the historical 
> 
> >period and not 60,000 years ago.
> 
> Since the Mahabarata legends spoke of great "flying machines" that
> used "weapons of light" that could destroy entire cities, if such a
> war took place 5000 years ago, archeological remnants of such weapons
> and machines should be still remaining. So, since they are not,
> perhaps the actual war of which Krishna and Arjuna participated (that
> had more primitive weapons) may have simply been a reflection of a
> much greater and much longer war that took place many thousands of
> years before in Atlantis prior to the exodus of the archaic Mayan,
> Egyptian and Brahman civilizations to far flung corners of the Earth. 
> Even the Mayans, report (in their calendar carvings) that they were
> around over 12,000 years ago... As, the Egyptians, appear to have
> been also around long prior to the Krishna time war (really a very
> small war between a single family and their cohorts) as described in
> the Bhagavad Gita -- which actually covers only a very short and later
> period in the ancient Mahabarata legends. (Are there any scholars
> here who thoroughly know the Mahabarata legends and can supply some
> references that may confirm this possibility?) Incidentally, the
> Mayan legends also appear to reflect the possibility of a much higher
> level of civilization using flying machines that preceded their
> appearance on the South American Continent. And, the legends of the
> Aztecs (also reflected in the Pueblo Indian legends) seem to support a
> great migration that occurred long prior to the Krishna-Arjuna war
> spoken of in the Bhagavad Gita. (We might refer here to the works of
> Arguelles, Van Daniken, etc.) 
> 
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