Theos-Talk Archives (August 2003 Message tt00065)

Hi all of you,

My views are:

Interesting debate. Try this on Annie Besant a letter from Bhagavan Das -
Former General Secretary of the Indian Section of the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY :
http://www.parascience.org/hinducol.htm
(Among other subjects - the departure of Rudolf Steiner - and how it
happened.)

One might ask whether the future teachings of Theosophy should be through
emotionalism and total obediance to the teacher or leader ?
Or should it be teachings of all ages and development of the Heart of
compassion and wisdom ?
Or should it be the development of thoughtpatterns : "I believe it to be
true." or "I think I know - knowing that I only assume that I know", "I
believe it so stronngly, so it must be true, - (yet I secretly admit, that I
do really not know.)".

And is this development of thoughtpatterns necessary to some and not to
others ?
And who really KNOWS about this ?

The problem as I see it is the Theosophical curse of not being able to
distinguish between, what is Knowledge and true Wisdom based on real facts -
and what Assumptions and Beliefs (and 'I think I know it to be true'
versions) of various kinds.

And the problem is also a lack of Knowledge and Wisdom about, what do I NEED
on my Path - and what I WANT. Quite important - it is so, that my Wants is
maybe not my Needs - and the Master knows that.
And what the individual do - is related to the group or the different groups
around him or her, locally as well as globally.

If one does something good - it lifts the rest of the group or groups he or
she is connected with.

Did this help ?

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Griffin Eddie" <vlad_storm@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:45 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Mauri's speculations..


> Mauri,
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> My comments are in bold..
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> You wrote:
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> According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, in 1902 Rudolph
> Steiner (founder of the "Anthroposophical Society" in 1912)
> got "in connection with the Theosophical Society," but
> apparently he found himself out of sympathy with its
> subsequent policy. Having read (so far) most of H.P.
> BLAVATSKY, A GREAT BETRAYAL by A.L. Cleather, I
> wonder if Steiner's lack of sympathy might've had something to
> do with how the Theosophical Movement (at Adyar and
> England?) at that time was headed by Besant and Leadbeater.
> Seems to me that those two were active enough at that time on
> various fronts, and seem to have been turning the
> Theosophical Movement (per ALC) into the "Liberal Catholic
> Church," among other things, apparently. But times, people
> and organizations change, one might suppose?
>
> Yes organizations change. Some would say the T.S. changed with the times.
Others would say that Besant and Leadbeater took the T.S. off on a tangent.
>
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> Seems to me one might wonder how the the people who head
> up the TS at Adyar, and elsewhere, might these days regard
> Besant's and Leadbeater's role and status as representatives of
> ... whatever?
>
> I'm sure if you ask people in the various groups they will be happy to
share their opinions on the subject (some of which are quite conflicting).
If there is one thing that many Theosophists have studied and like to talk
about it's Theosophical history. (grin)
>
> Also one might wonder (I wonder, at any rate)
> whether B/L might've had some influence on some of the
> directions taken by Alice Bailey in later years---not that I have
> come across details suggesting that Bailey might've been under
> some kind of B/L influence. My knowledge about Bailey's
> views are sketchy, even sketchier than my knowledge about
> B/L, but ALC has certainly piqued my curiosity about the
> course of the Theosophical Movement after HPB's passing.
>
> I was never attracted to Bailey myself. Read a book or two of hers and
never felt like reading more.
>
>
> Also, I tend to wonder whether some of todays TS's
> (somewhere, maybe?) might be, at heart, or in some sense,
> maybe, some kind of conscious or unconscious reps of what
> might amount to, or might be seen, by some, as some sort of
> Liberal (or not-so-liberal?) Catholic Churches that might be
> outwardly represented as "Theosophical Societies" (so as to
> deal with whatever perceived "Theosophical threat" from the
> ground up---for all I know---maybe?).
>
> Perhaps. In the end each group, of course, has it's own individual focus.
So in that sense each of them have a specialized view of Theosophy based on
what they study and the manner in which they study and teach it.
>
> What Theosophical threat are you talking about?
>
>
> Of course, on the other
> hand, (at least there's another hand, here, eh?!), whatever
> "today's TS's" might be seen to "amount to," by whoever, one
> might console oneself (?) with the thought " it's all karma"
> (should I mention maya?), after all, and so is, (theoretically?)
> dealable?
>
> I'm not sure that I am interpreting this statement correctly - but it
seems that you are saying basically that todays groups don't amount to
much - as in they are not growing? Is that right? If you look at pure
numbers (i.e. number of members - the average member age getting older,
etc.) I won't argue with you if that's your point.
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> Not that I haven't sensed much wisdom and
> "Theosophic" meaning (by way of my various interpretations,
> at any rate) in many of the words/posts I have come across on
> these lists.
>
>
> Speculatively,
> Mauri
>
> Thanks for the interesting speculations...
>
> -Ed
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