Theos-Talk Archives (August 2003 Message tt00037)

Dallas:

I agree with what you say, and you are correct in what you say. 
However, even the Buddha taught in a twofold manner, one dealing in 
absolute truth, and the other in relative truths. 

As a Thesosophist trying to communicate to other people with varying 
degrees of knowing "Theosophical" teachings, from the very learned, 
such as yourself, to those who can barely pronounce the 
word "Theosophy" and more than likely never hearing, or seeing the 
word before, I have to use language that the other person can relate 
to. Furthermore, I cannot speak in absolutes to those whose minds 
are not thinking there yet...I have to speak in terms they can relate 
to.

Regarding the Theosophical movement, much the same applies. The 
different Theosophical groups have developed over the years their own 
distinct cultures, which is a mere statement of (relative) fact. You 
also have to acknowledge that due to their shared karma, what affects 
one affects all, which is why I brought up the instance of 
Krishnamurti's departure in 1927 just simply illustrating what I 
believe to be the cultural turning point of the Theosophical movement 
from publicly engagement to insularity. 

As a final comment I agree with you wholeheartedly about the group 
who runs this and the BN-Study groups. At the risk of "gushing" and 
inviting new criticisms of elitism, this is probably the finest group 
of Theosophical students around and it is a valuable treasure beyond 
all compare.

In any case, attempting to keep the link unbroken...

Joe

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Monday, August 11, 2003
> 
> Dear Joe:
> 
> Thanks for the adjustment.
> 
> I don't look on "Theosophists" as a separate clan or group.
> 
> The whole of humanity makes up "theosophists" in various degrees.
> This has to be taken in the broadest possible sense, or we become
> labelers and get bogged down in supposed agreements based on such
> labels. Those and these; they and we, etc...
> 
> Theosophical wisdom can only be of value to others who are
> unacquainted with it when they realise that it is all-inclusive.
> In so realizing, we, in turn,. have to make ourselves a firm and
> indissoluble part of humanity. In other words our relation is to
> assist, not to say: "Hey, you down there...."
> 
> If what we write opens eyes, then it enables "them" to see more
> clearly the great principles that form the basis for all life.
> 
> 1.	Immortality of individual CONSCIOUSNESS as a UNIT ( a MONAD --
> Atma + Buddhi + Manas all intertwined). We are all immortals.
> We are all on a similar "Pilgrimage." We are therefore all
> BROTHERS. No one is either superior or inferior to any other.
> 
> 2.	The LAW of KARMA is immutable, always active, and is the basis
> for manifestation of universes, worlds, planetary systems, suns,
> earths, and every aspect of intelligent life. There is nothing
> that is outside of the purview of the ONE LAW OF LIFE: KARMA.
> 
> 3.	The so many stages in individual progress are the result of
> the eternal and constant inter-action of all parts of the
> WHOLE -- we (being intelligent individual MINDS) see, now, the
> impact of the choices made in the past by every being, and the
> effects thereof that are distributed to, and on, every other
> being. Of necessity we share in one-another. The differences we
> observe come from the individual free choice of FREE Minds. None
> is unimportant or to be disregarded because the impact is minute.
> 
> 4.	Every incarnation of Man (Mind), is similar to, and analogous
> to, the incarnation of the Universes. For instance Science
> teaches that the Atom is analogous to a Solar system. "Physical
> substance" by analogy, corresponds to all universes. We are
> those who set arbitrary limits, so that our present Personal
> Minds (and its memories) can comprehend. Our present opportunity
> is to transcend this set of limitations and realize and adopt a
> set of far more spiritual ones (Buddhi in action) based on MORALS
> AND ETHICS, where we are ever "our Brothers' Keepers."
> 
> 5.	Man, in his physical configuration, is said to correspond to
> "Divine Man" (Adam Kadmon).
> 
> 6.	Time as such, is an illusion we have adopted and devised, so
> that we differentiate memory from imagination and fancy. It also
> prevents everything from happening all at once.
> 
> 7.	Actually, Karma is the real "happening all at once" the moment
> a choice is adopted. Everything is affected to some degree by
> the living will-power of desire and imagination. This makes the
> differentiation between desire and mind essential. They are two
> very different types of power. Both are subject to the WILL of
> the REAL MAN that ever dwells inside the physical.
> 
> The last 100 years of the THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT (if reviewed as
> history and as a "tool") is valuable to us, if we detach
> ourselves from it and refuse to be partisan. We need to detect
> the principles of "right action," and decide on evidence
> (documents) whether individuals observed the very best standards
> in their choosing.
> 
> I think it is wise to divorce ourselves from any organizations
> and set of names or "leaders." We cannot blame them, and we
> cannot hide behind any set off adopted rules, etc... Every
> choice we make (now as it the past and future) is still an
> independent one, and we are responsible for it.
> 
> There is no reason for any of us to hide our light (or THE GREAT
> LIGHT) under a "bushel."
> We have been asked to learn and then practice Theosophy. Then
> when we are assured of its verities, we can "preach and
> promulgate." In this way were the teachings of the great Buddha
> spread -- the Theosophy of 2,500 years ago.
> 
> I am indebted to those who have sacrificed time money and effort
> in establishing these discussion exchange pages. Their
> contribution is to be recognized and admired. It is now for
> students inquirers etc... to make good use of the opportunities
> now in front of them.
> 
> The actions and events of history are irreversible. No
> "Leaders" (past or present) are needed to tell us how to learn,
> or act, or think "Theosophically." We do that on our own.
> Theosophy is the epitome (in theory), and the set of ideals,
> doctrines, and tenets that we can use to establish an IDEAL we
> can aspire to, of constant moral and ethical perfection applied
> consciously and deliberately in and to our daily life choices and
> acts. Willing, thinking and desiring are all ACTS.
> 
> Nothing is ever concealed from Karma and the Lipika, its diligent
> "scribes." We are the Lipika. We write our own history in the
> ever-present, eternal akasic atmosphere that ever surrounds us.
> So does every Monad, and every personality, and every
> Individuality, right up to the highest of Dhyan Chohans. Taken as
> a host or a mass these are the "skandhas" (the "aggregates")
> that form the vehicles and "personalities" of all beings, high or
> low, small or great. Those "aggregates" are all "Monads of
> lesser experience." We provide a basis for their aggregation
> around us. They are attracted to us as centers for their
> learning and advance. Are we to fail them ?
> 
> It is all brothers helping Brothers.
> 
> Our ELDER BROTHERS, the Masters of Wisdom, the Mahatmas, and the
> Buddha and Dhyan Chohans of all times helped, and are helping us
> all, NOW. We have a responsibility due to them for their
> sacrifices and continued work on the invisible and spiritual
> planes of being. [ read S D I 207 - 210; and see also the VOICE
> OF THE SILENCE, pp. 74 to 79 including footnotes].
> 
> Well, see how these ideas sit with you and let me know.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
> ========================
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpf
> Sent:	Monday, August 11, 2003 10:38 AM
> To:
> Subject:	: -- Present and Future? What will it be ?
> 
> Sorry for the mis-impression. Rather than interpreting your
> remarks
> as quietism, I found them very fascinating...and as always, on
> the
> mark. My comments were directed more towards what I see as a
> tendency within the Theosophical movement that seemed to have its
> start after the Krishnamurti debacle in 1927 (which may have
> affected
> the PL and ULT folk in ways that they maybe didn't realize at the
> time). I have always been quite amazed at how we Theosophists
> can
> have all of the knowledge and wisdom that we do, but on the other
> hand be so insular with it that the world at large barely knows
> of
> our existence...the result of either excessive caution or lack of
> self-confidence, or loss of nerve on the part of the collective
> Theosophical movement.
> 
> Joe
> 
> CUT