Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00089)

Hi all of you,

My views are only views:

Second attempt: The first email I made didn't arrive.
I now try a second time.

The following is an wellmeant attempt to extend the views in the 
mentioned
link about Cults and their teachers: http://www.deikman.com.


1.
One thing I did'nt find in the below link was, that
within Theosophy it is recognized, that if it is nescessary,
a teacher may lie or degrade himself or herself.

There is a socalled Mahatma Letter from Morya on that and about 
Blavatsky
(as The Old Woman). http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-
47.htm
(1882)

"You know K.H. and me -- buss! know you anything of the whole 
Brotherhood
and its ramifications? The Old Woman is accused of untruthfulness,
inaccuracy in her statements. "Ask no questions and you will receive 
no
lies." She is forbidden to say what she knows. You may cut her to 
pieces and
she will not tell. Nay -- she is ordered in cases of need to mislead 
people;
and, were she more of a natural born liar -- she might be happier and 
won
her day long since by this time. But that's just where the shoe 
pinches,
Sahib. She is too truthful, too outspoken, too incapable of 
dissimulation:
and now she is being daily crucified for it. Try not to be hasty, 
respected
Sir. The world was not made in a day; nor has the tail of the yak 
developed
in one year. Let evolution take its course naturally -- lest we make 
it
deviate and produce monsters by presuming to guide it."


Not all teachings or knowledge are to be revealed to the unprepared
readers...


2.
Vol. 2: "The Initiate in The New World" written by Cyril Scott also
mentions how the teacher J. M. H. considered teaching and how a 
teacher
behaves.
Try reading chapter 2 !

Teacher or socalled teachers and advicers do for intstance not go 
around
bragging about their capeabilities....aeehm...
I think I will have to rethink that one.

3.
There is also the use of the Seven Keys, while writing and teaching 
etc.
(The Secret Doctrine, vol. 1, p. 310-25)

4.
And let us remember this message posted by me:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12514 (Thu Jul 3, 
2003 )
Here is an excerpt:
"So very important: The use of ideas is to shape a man or woman, not 
to
support
a system - which is viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in 
which the
Wisdom Tradition is 'living', and not just the perpetuations of ideas 
and
movements. This seems important to understand and know about."...
"Because, the Wisdom tradition has
to show that the object of mankind is not to construct idols, but to 
follow
a
supreme pattern, which is learnt piece by piece."


5.
There is the teaching, the time, the place, the pupil(s), the 
Teacher, the
surroundings etc...
These has to be in best possible harmony- to make the teaching occur 
with
penetration....
Some teachings are made to just one audience. Other teachings are 
made to
other audiences.
Some teachings are coded, has several layers of interpretation and 
contains
more than one message. Some teachings are too old. Some teachings are 
too
early. Some teachings are just too late...etc...

6.
And let us remember it is always possible to raise an opposition 
against
anything in the dualistic world.


Try also reading the next intended email by me. It is about on 
a "Melon".

That should extend the issue somewhat.

All the above are just views and nothing else.
I am a nobody, a zippo - and ignorant.
Other writers here at Theos-Talk has often concluded that. So I guess 
they
are right.

Feel free to make your own conclusions...



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...










--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@k...> 
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Looking for sufism on google, (to see how high up my own site was), 
I 
> found the following site that many of you may be interested in. It 
> explains some of the ways in which we human beings act as though we 
> were in a cult - even when we aren't. Any group has to deal with 
some 
> of the issues described here, even if most don't go as far as a 
> real 'cult' does.
> 
> http://www.deikman.com/
> 
> Katinka