Theos-Talk Archives (June 2003 Message tt00125)

Hi Dallas and all of you,

Why do you need a source for this ?
Why this need for etiquette ?



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dalval14" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Conditioning and other artificial arts...part 3 of
3


> Monday, June 16, 2003
>
> Dear Morten:
>
> Please let me know the source for what you write:
>
> : :"The true Theosophists contention is that, traditionally,
> there was a clear-cut
> method, widely if not universally applied by 'those who know'."
>
> Who wrote this? And where is it to be found in THEOSOPHY
> literature ?
>
>
> I am not aware of this method.
>
> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten Nymann Olesen [mailto:global-theosophy@adslhome.dk]
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:35 AM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Conditioning and other artificial
> arts...part 3 of 3
>
> Hi all of you,
>
> The following will almost only
> interest the more earnest students of Theosophy.
>
> Conditioning
>
> Part 3 of 3:
>
> The true Theosophists contention is that, traditionally, there
> was a clear-cut
> method, widely if not universally applied by 'those who know'.
> This involved (1) indoctrination of the people (or some of them)
> to remove superseded ideas which had begun to operate as
> blinkers; (2) removal of the indoctrination to restore
> flexibility
> of viewpoint and consequent enlightenment; and then (3)
> application of stimuli to help make this enlightenment effective
> in the
> ordinary world.
> There are fairly close parallels in the mundane educational
> process. if, for example, everyone believed firmly in alchemy.
> The
> fixation on the alchemical goal would have to be weakened in
> certain people before they could profit from chemistry.
> This perception of conditioning end flexibility, can be used to
> examine virtually every human system of thought or action in
> the spiritual field. indeed, until it can be applied by someone
> it is
> not possible to hold a meaningful discussion with him or her.
> Nowadays, few people contest the importace of knowing
> about conditioning in order to examine belief-systems. Why,
> therefore, s it so difficult to communicate with so many people
> alon these lines? the answer is very simple. We are at a stage in
> understanding human behavior analogous to that which obtained
> when people began to try to talk of chemistry to those
> who were fixated upon the hope of untold wealth (or, sometimes,
> spiritual enlightenment) through alchemy. Like the alchemist
> or those or those who want easy riches, people want dramatic
> inputs (emotional stimuli, excitement, reassurance, authority-
> figures and the rest) rather than knowledge.
> It is only when the desire for knowledge and understanding
> becomes as effective as the craving for emotional stimulus that
> the individual becomes accessible to change, to knowledge, to
> more than a very little understanding.
> So learning must be preceded by the capacity to learn.
> THAT, in turn, comes about at least in part by right attitude.
> And THAT, again, is where the would-be learner has to
> exercise effort.
>
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> ***
>
> So where are Blavatsky on this ?
> Has Blavatsky ever made any statements like this ?
>
> Feel free to comment or do your best
>
>
>
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
>
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