Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00220)

Hi.
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From: <gregory@zeta.org.au>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Question for Gregory Tillett about Dzyan Esoter


> Good question! I can only assume that (i) the ULT placed such emphasis on
> there being no organization, no leadership and no authority within the
> ULT (not, of course, the case in fact) that the acknowledgement of an
> inner group would have been too threatening and would have undermined the
> public claims, and (ii) the existence of a secret group that really was
> kept secret provided greater status for the members of it. There are now
> very few really secret groups .... the existence, if not the inner
> teachings and rituals, of almost all secret societies are now scholarly,
> if not common, knowledge.

Wry: This may seem like nitpicking, but it is actually important to consider
that the inner teachings of any spiritual group are never conveyed directly,
but always in the form of allegory, so they are not that easily accessible
to anyone. There are many reasons for this, the main one being that you
cannot tell certain ideas, only show, as they need to be presented into the
human functioning in a certain form and sequence that is balanced, so that
it will not enter in such a way that it corresponds with and/or is bounded
by old mechanical ways of assimilation that are based on a person's
conditioning. But a second reason is also profoundly significant, in that
if certain information were to fall into the wrong hands, these people could
do great damage to humanity along many different avenues. One example of
this is that all kinds of projects could be done that would affect the group
unconscious, which there are always people waiting around to tamper with,
and I personally know of one group who is doing this today re. the ufo
phenonemena, but, fortunately, they do not have very great knowledge.
Another example is that once certain knowledge is leaked or let out of the
bag, it can never be put back in again, and, if it is leaked prematurely or
put out in ther wrong way, it forever loses its force, in that its special
power was to be used specifically in just the right way at just the right
moment. Also, people could do experiments with groups of people in which
they used their brains and bodies in certain ways, achieving great power and
control over mnany others. Actually, the chance all of the above happening
is somewhat slim for the very reason that all inner knowledge is carefully
guarded, being presented in a veiled way that only certain people, who are
ready and who pay by making certain efforts, are trained to understand. It
is like cracking a code. If you do not know there is a code, you cannot
crack it. Sometimes a secret group functions in the open, right in front of
the eyes of other members who are on the outside, so to speak. It is funny
(poignant), though actually dead serious, as the members on the outside do
not even know and cannot know, but go about their business thinking that
they know, which is the end of all possibility. Maybe it is even happening
here or will happen here. There is an admonition: do not cast your pearls
before swine.( Perhaps you have wondered, for a minute, what is the meaning
of pearls, but have you ever wondered what is the meaning of swine? Maybe
you have not, because you think it is so obvious.) In ancient times, and
even today, a person could be persecuted and even killed for giving out
certain information in a certain way. For instance, if one was to publicly
say certrain things about the inner meaning of Christianity and the Bible,
they could be killed by a fanatic or shunned by many people. A few years
ago, a person who made a certain translation of the Koran, which was based
around the use of the number ninety-one, was assasinated, I believe in the
United States, presumably by a rival Islamic group. Moreover, there is
certain built in check about giving out certain material, as the forces of
nature ( of course, as connected to onself and not existying independently
on their own side) will literally turn against one in such a way that he is
self distructed, and any one of a certain degree of understanding already
knows this and is able to discriminate when such a situation begins to
arise.

In my opinion, when Madame Blavatsky designed her projects, the very obvious
aim of which I have already mentioned several times (and which no one on
here has ever disputed or questioned), she was playing people, for a
specific reason, when she spoke about the knowledge of the ancients in the
way in which she did. The way she spoke about the knowledge of the ancients
is very interesting, as it is both true and not true at the same time.
Because this list has calmed down, there are no longer prolific postings and
the membership is going up, it might be interesting to consider examining
the writings of Madame Blavatsky with a fresh eye that is free from
preconceptions, in such a way that we all might discover something new, but
I am not sure I personally am up to tackling something like this, so I will
wait awhile. Sincerely, Wry


>It would be good if all the DES documents could
> be published together with a history of this important branch (if we can
> call it that) of the ES tradition within the TS. I have had some
> interesting conversations with ULT "important people" about the DES ....
> no-one has ever denied its existence, but nor have they admitted it.
> Rather like talking with Adyar people about the Egyptian Rite, the
> details and rituals of which should also be published.
> Dr Gregory Tillett
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