Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00129)

May 12 2003

Dear Bill:

I use the word "background" but really it is all inclusive - not
as an "object," but as a universal and uniform PRESENCE.

It is also the BOUNDLESS.

We are a part of THAT --- our harmony is then existent and the
attempt to realize it is the effort of the "temporarily impaired
by 'form' " to reassume its sensed capacity of unlimited contact.

To me "faith" is ignorance. "Reasoned approach" is a link that
is ever available for review and adjustment as needed. It is a
kind of bridge between the UNKNOWABLE and the presently KNOWN in
physical guise. REALITY is the THAT.

The "tea-cup" was transformed fro available matter and its
placement was such that no living person using physical means
could do that. It demonstrated a power of ever materials which
we cannot yet duplicate. Yet the modus operandi was well
described by H P B and the Master in their correspondence.

Dal




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Meredith
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:46 PM
To:
Subject: Re:: [bn-study] A boundless God

Dear Dallas, thanks for your comments below.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:58 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: [bn-study] A boundless God


Saturday, May 10, 2003

Dear Bill:

As I understand it, behind the concept of UNITY is the
unknown --hence, cannot be defined. Hence ""unthinkable and
unspeakable". How would we define ZERO - absence of any form or
limit. NO-THING -- undefinable -- an idea -- a "principle"
to some.

It is unprovable but, it is also a logical necessity.


Bill: I am not comfortable casting "An Omnipresent, Eternal,
Boundless, and
Immutable PRINCIPLE on which all speculation is impossible" in
the same
definitional category as zero. The logical necessity of zero
proves its
existence, but beyond the zero lies the Boundless. Logic cannot
bring us
into Harmony with the Boundless.

>From NO THING or ZERO arise all differentiation, but this does
not change the nature or quality of the ZERO BACK-GROUND -- it
has none that we know of.


Bill: As you seem to use the term, it is bound by the
definitional quality
of back-ground which somehow is used as a canvas on which
fore-ground is
painted or paints itself. No matter where you begin your thought
processes,
it is but a short trip to the edge of what "is beyond the range
and reach of
thought - in the words of Mandukya, 'unthinkable and
unspeakable.' "


I don't think it is "faith" but a reasoned approach.

Bill: Your faith seems to lie in a your reasoned approach.

What else could be substituted?

Bill: Nothing can be substituted for the Boundless. Not even
the concept
of principle or law or Nature or God. We cannot bring the
Boundless to us.

A "CREATOR ?" But then who created the CREATOR, and WHY ?

Bill: I often think you use the terms Creator and God the way I
usually
think of Masters. Did a Master create a teacup where there was
none? If so
who created the Master and why? Unless we deny creation at all
levels then
we are stuck with creators of one kind or another above as it is
below.
Transcending all, however, is the Boundless.



Dal


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill M
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:46 PM
To:
Subject: [bn-study] A boundless God

Quote of the Day (for May 9):

The Secret Doctrine establishes three fundamental propositions: -
(a) An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE
on which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the
power of human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human
expression or similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of
thought - in the words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and
unspeakable." --

-Secret Doctrine Vol I Proem page 14. By Helena Blavatsky, 1888.

While I accept this proposition as true, I often wonder how we
conclude that the "unthinkable and unspeakable" is a PRINCIPLE.

Such is an unprovable assertion - hence its designation as a
fundamental proposition.

Faith is present whether we acknowledge it or not.

Bill
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