Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00126)

Dear Dallas, thanks for your comments below.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:58 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: [bn-study] A boundless God


Saturday, May 10, 2003

Dear Bill:

As I understand it, behind the concept of UNITY is the
unknown --hence, cannot be defined. Hence ""unthinkable and
unspeakable". How would we define ZERO - absence of any form or
limit. NO-THING -- undefinable -- an idea -- a "principle"
to some.

It is unprovable but, it is also a logical necessity.


Bill: I am not comfortable casting "An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and
Immutable PRINCIPLE on which all speculation is impossible" in the same
definitional category as zero. The logical necessity of zero proves its
existence, but beyond the zero lies the Boundless. Logic cannot bring us
into Harmony with the Boundless.

>From NO THING or ZERO arise all differentiation, but this does
not change the nature or quality of the ZERO BACK-GROUND -- it
has none that we know of.


Bill: As you seem to use the term, it is bound by the definitional quality
of back-ground which somehow is used as a canvas on which fore-ground is
painted or paints itself. No matter where you begin your thought processes,
it is but a short trip to the edge of what "is beyond the range and reach of
thought - in the words of Mandukya, 'unthinkable and
unspeakable.' "


I don't think it is "faith" but a reasoned approach.

Bill: Your faith seems to lie in a your reasoned approach.

What else could be substituted?

Bill: Nothing can be substituted for the Boundless. Not even the concept
of principle or law or Nature or God. We cannot bring the Boundless to us.

A "CREATOR ?" But then who created the CREATOR, and WHY ?

Bill: I often think you use the terms Creator and God the way I usually
think of Masters. Did a Master create a teacup where there was none? If so
who created the Master and why? Unless we deny creation at all levels then
we are stuck with creators of one kind or another above as it is below.
Transcending all, however, is the Boundless.



Dal


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill M
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:46 PM
To:
Subject: [bn-study] A boundless God

Quote of the Day (for May 9):

The Secret Doctrine establishes three fundamental propositions: -
(a) An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE
on which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the
power of human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human
expression or similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of
thought - in the words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and
unspeakable." --

-Secret Doctrine Vol I Proem page 14. By Helena Blavatsky, 1888.

While I accept this proposition as true, I often wonder how we
conclude that the "unthinkable and unspeakable" is a PRINCIPLE.

Such is an unprovable assertion - hence its designation as a
fundamental proposition.

Faith is present whether we acknowledge it or not.

Bill
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