Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00091)

Hi Dallas and all of you,

Here are my views:

1.
Dallas you wrote:
"As we all profit from the work each other does and posts, the
methods used are valuable if they direct us to the basis fro
which Theosophy speaks."

My answer:
Yes. IF and only IF they truely direct us to that mentioned basis.

2.
Dallas you wrote:
"As I understand it, Theosophy is a definite system of facts and
laws, just like engineering, or mathematics, or astronomy. The
quotations, for me, locate various aspects of that system, to my
mind."

My answer:
"Yes. But, No. Theosophy should'nt be put out as being only like a system of
facts and laws etc..
There are certainly more to Theosophy than the thoughts coming from the
various
mental levels can give us.
It is the delevopment of the inner organ (- the heart of wisdom), on a
'higher' level
than your own, which is important.
The UNENDING crossreferencing and indexing might help the student and some
who calls
themselves teachers. But is the UNENDING crossreferencing and indexing what
a
true Theosophist and a initiate would call proper, spiritually adequate when
talking about place, time, the people involved, the teaching, the students,
the teacher(s),
the surroundings etc.. ?
I will deeply question that on more than one occasion here at Theos-Talk
during
its time of existence. Will it not be much more advaisable to the student to
use
his or her own words instead of this almost extreme exaggartion in use of
unending crossreferencing and indexing. Is'nt it wasting more time, than it
is gaining ?
One can of course on one level appreciate the age of the computers with
their fancy capeabilities to turn any large amount of scriptures into a
relevant index.
But on the other level - the higher one, - one could question whehter it
develops the inner organ of spirituality or not ? Maybe it is an obstacle to
its development ?"


3.
Dallas you wrote:
"I would rather have them than vague speculative waftings of
capricious fancy. I can go to quotations, and the context, and
learn something of what the original writer said. As far as
possible I try to distance myself from "opinions." -- unless they
tally with the original and basic thinking and teachings."

My answer:
"Yes. But WHO is it to say, what really is vague speculative waftings or NOT
?
Is it not so, that what first meets the eyes in a sentence, not always
really is what that special sentence is all about ?"



4.
Dallas you wrote:
"I am sorry but I don't get your point."

My answer:
"Yes. I think I can see that by your writing."


5.
Dallas you wrote:
"The referencing is of course individual as to a method. There
are many methods -- all good for the individual who uses them.
Others devise their own, and some like them or not."

My answer:
"Yes. But to develop peoples skills - in writing emails - or - abstaining
from doing so when it is proper and timely spiritually seen -
with as many aspects taking in to account as possible, - would be more
advaisable - dont you think ? Of course development sometimes goes by
one taking one step after the other, and then developing. Sometimes the
Theosphical
beginner almost screams I want to learn think on a higher level, but when
offered
to do so, - the beginner really won't develop and refuses to think - and
becomes a member
of a list like this or another one and starts to sort of teach others with
the method called -
UNENDING crossreferencing and indexing.
As if it really is something important being taught."


6.
Dallas you wrote:
"As I see it: If we are working to first learn, and then to
verify accuracy, and finally, to broadcast the teachings of
Theosophy, we need to be secure in our basic references, and the
reasoning they convey -- for the sake, at least, of the students
who will read what we write."

My answer:
"Maybe so. But spiritual development by use of emails most certainly
involves something we call DESIGN. Each email is a special DESIGN.
It is being emailed with a notive behind it. It has a force due
to the spiritual guidance involved, the time, the place, the people
involved,
the students, the teacher(s), the surroundings etc..
The DESIGN, which the email constitutes has a certain effect upon the
readers.
This effect is not only directed at intellectual motivations, but also
at developing the various levels of the inner organ ! I.e. Intuitive levels
and higher."


7.
Dallas you wrote:
"If we don't care about them, then a portion of what we write will
be limited to our own opinions and biases -- and it may take them
additional time to disentangle those."

My answer:
"Yes. Sometimes it must be better, that the student reads a certain
number of books and have certain experiences before they abandon your
view on - the - importance of UNENDING crossreferencing and indexing.
But then it will maybe be better to offer the readers, that they should read
the books
instead, so not to miss a point, by only getting a fraction of the books
presented in an
quite often untimely manner - spiritually seen.
The teacher should more often than not write by NOT, (i.e. NOT) -
making UNENDING crossreferencing and indexing. Well, let us call that a
view."

A saying of a kind:
If you steal from one source, it's plagiarism, but if you steal from
hundreds it's scholarship. And if you don't, you are most often accused of
doing it.
Are scholarship creating Theosophists ?

Another area of questioning:
So who owns the most - sources - of oil on the Planet today ?


Feel free to comment or do your best...

from
M. Sufilight with a smile...>:-)





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:37 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: Crossreferencing and the like...


> Friday, May 09, 2003
>
> Re: Cross-referencing, etc....
>
> Dear M and Friends
>
> As we all profit from the work each other does and posts, the
> methods used are valuable if they direct us to the basis fro
> which Theosophy speaks.
>
> As I understand it, Theosophy is a definite system of facts and
> laws, just like engineering, or mathematics, or astronomy. The
> quotations, for me, locate various aspects of that system, to my
> mind.
>
> I would rather have them than vague speculative waftings of
> capricious fancy. I can go to quotations, and the context, and
> learn something of what the original writer said. As far as
> possible I try to distance myself from "opinions." -- unless they
> tally with the original and basic thinking and teachings.
>
> I am sorry but I don't get your point.
>
> The referencing is of course individual as to a method. There
> are many methods -- all good for the individual who uses them.
> Others devise their own, and some like them or not.
>
> As I see it: If we are working to first learn, and then to
> verify accuracy, and finally, to broadcast the teachings of
> Theosophy, we need to be secure in our basic references, and the
> reasoning they convey -- for the sake, at least, of the students
> who will read what we write.
>
> If we don't care about them, then a portion of what we write will
> be limited to our own opinions and biases -- and it may take them
> additional time to disentangle those.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dal
>
> ========================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:21 PM
> To: Theos-Talk
> Subject: Crossreferencing and the like...
>
> Hi all of you,
>
> A view:
>
> I just got hold of this sentence:
>
> If you discover that unending indexing & crossreferencing
> turns you into a true Theosophist, let us all into the secret of
> how to make any progress whatsoever by this method.
>
> Maybe some here at Theos-Talk will be able to benefit from it.
> I do not put names forward here. But some names are more likely
> to benefit from
> this sentence than others - at the moment, that is.
>
>
> Feel free to comment or do your best...
>
> from
> M. Suiflight with peace and love...
>
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