Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00004)

May 2 2003

Dear Mauri:

If you "concentrated" on a SPOT with no particular objective or
thought to balance the effort, your brain will not have anything
to focus on.

This is a primary error in "trying to meditate." Why "jump in
the dark?"

How does any one secure some good "map ?" What do you already
know of the mind and its powers? have you read PATANJALI
YOGA-SUTRAS carefully, as a preliminary ?

Outside the realm of matter -- say in thought -- you have to have
an objective. YOU are the actuator. You employ the brain-mind
to seek and grasp and understand a subject that YOU CHOOSE. If
you don't do that you take it into an area of mental
"nothingness." It gets confused and the eventual report you get
revolves around that. Nothing useful is it ?

If you seek "transcendence" I say: transcendence of what? Why ?
Where do you hope to go mentally or with some desire for
experience? Get those down clearly as a first.

Otherwise it is all wishy-washy.

Your suspicion that I may be totally immersed in Karma/Maya means
what?

Yes I am active and awake.

I can review the passing scenes, in which I participate, or was
merely a spectator. The one thing that emerges clearly is that:
I AM THE ONE UNCHANGED, even if I recognize I exist in a sea of
changes ( Maya) - If not, then I would not know the difference
would I ?

In this environment we share, I understand LAW and LAWS operate
everywhere to keep my body and its brain alive; and, I do
precious little about that.

Physically the body handles it all.

Mentally I am separate, and therefore think and desire.

Usually desire motivates thought. But then I, the consistent
EGO, monitors where desire and thought lead. I DECIDE what I
will do -- so do you, so does everyone. What is gained?

See if that helps

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri [mailto:mhart@idirect.ca]
Sent:	Friday, May 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To:	Theosophy Study List; theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	Theos-World re ..., Dallas, etc ...

Dallas, when I wrote: <<Why do we have Yoga's,
meditations, "just being"?>> that was meant in a
contextual sense of: "why else do we have Yoga's,
meditations, "just being,"
don't understand this.

Dallas, you responded with: <<To me meditation is
concentrated thought on a selected subject.
Nothing else.>>

To me, "meditation/just being" is about transcending
conventional (dualistic/multiplisitc, exoteric) notions
about "concentrated thought." "Selected subject" re
"just being" seems , as I tend to see it, kind of
pointless, comparatively speaking. I'm hoping my
quotes on "meditation/just being" were enough to
suggest that some things can only be experienced
(apparently).

In my younger days I did a form of "concentrated
thought" on a spot, with the result that the right side of
my brain (I think it was the right side ...) felt as if it
was churning, afterward. So I had to give up that kind
of meditation. With "just being," though, I haven't
had any such problems. Not that my sessions have
been praticularly profound, but/"but" ... We all have
to start somewhere, eh ...

<<What are the things we are sure of? You can't build an
"EMPIRE STATE BUILDING" on the sands of the
shore, you have to have solid rock. To speculate is
fine. But your rock in that case is yourself -- the "I"
inside which you assume to be consistent and
permanent regardless of the states it is in, or observes,
or passes through. Am I right ? If everything is cloudy,
and insecure, variable and in constant flux, then how
can ideas or words (used to define experiences) be ever
useful -- they would change in meaning and value
every moment as the mind passes from subject to
subject, object, or from question, to speculation as to
event or its values. Are you content with bouncing
with the fleecy clouds of imagination or are you
seeking some base that an be defined? Some "starting
point," or, a "point of ultimate resolution -- or an
arrival ?" Personally floating around is unhelpful, it
costs time and energy but seems to have little or no
goal. How does it help you, me or any one, with living
-- at least in this world of three dimensions (4 if you
include "time") that appears common in general
experience and in logic that unites us.? So I am truly
puzzled. Dallas>>

I suspect that you might be "truly puzzled" because
you might be "truly immersed" in karma/maya.
Presumably, at some point, your karma will allow you
to have some kind of "aha" experience/s, so then you
might start thinking that you might be (in a sense) less
"truly puzzled"... Something like that? ^:-)

Speculatively,
Mauri




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