Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00408)

Well, I guess that says it all. Have a nice trip. When you get back, tell 
us how you "scientifically" (or even philosophically) explain consciousness, 
mind and the nature of absolute, conditioned and unconditioned reality? I'm 
sure we are all wating with bated breath to see how your ideas fit in with 
theosophical metaphysics and its fundamental propositions.


In a message dated 03/22/03 7:05:51 PM, micforster@yahoo.com writes:

<< this is a bunch of bullshit. see you all later. >>


--- leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
> mail@katinkahesselink.net writes:
> 
> Hi Leon,
> 
> Some comments below. 
> 
> > Leon:
> 
> > We can only speak of the Cosmos (Brahma), which
> can be 
> 
> > unconditioned (when asleep) and conditioned (when
> awake). 
> > The Absolute reality, rootless root, (Parabrahm)
> or Krishna, 
> 
> > is neither conditioned nor unconditioned, but
> always is 
> 
> > Absolute and ineffable. Yet, while they are all
> part of the one 
> 
> > reality, they are different in their state or
> circumstance of existence. 
> 
> > Remember, The Absolute is the Father of
> innumerable universes, 
> 
> > and no matter how many of them are either in
> conditioned or 
> 
> > unconditioned states of existence, Parabrahm or
> Ein Soph is forever 
> > unchanged. Admittedly, that cannot be "sensed"
> since it is beyond all 
> 
> > finite conception. However, the unconditioned
> Cosmos (Brahma) can 
> 
> > only be "sensed" by the "open eye of the Dagma"
> when it manifests 
> 
> > or becomes conditioned. (Ref: Stanzas I-II)
> 
> 
> > So, if you are interested in visualizing these
> relationships, I 
> 
> > suggest you study the diagrams at:
> 
> >
>
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
> 
> >
>
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif
> 
> [Katinka] 
> I like these two pictures. The first seems to me
> more consistent with 
> 
> the fractal idea. To make the latter consistent
> every circle would 
> 
> need to be filled with more circles - which would
> take all the beauty 
> 
> out of it. (the mathematician in me speaking). 
> 
> Can you give a link to the page where you explain
> those diagrams?
> 
> [Leon] 
> Thank you. The first "notate" diagram only
> represents the "light" fields that 
> we can experience in our phenomenal universe (as
> spoken about in the 
> Stanzas). However, the second diagram goes a bit
> deeper and explores the 
> possibility that there is a dark universe that is
> the exact reflection of 
> this one where the force is spinning in the opposite
> direction. This came 
> out of my scientific background that insists that
> there must be a fundamental 
> "symmetry" in the Absolute that underlies and
> balances all manifestations of 
> conditioned reality. 
> 
> Thus, the primal force, besides being attractive and
> repulsive, is also 
> positive and negative, light and dark, etc. Didn't
> HPB say that everything 
> is fundamentally "electrical" in nature, and that
> there were additional 
> fields of different or denser matter that are beyond
> our ability to 
> understand? These dark fields could be the "halls of
> Amenti" or "nether 
> worlds" spoken of in ancient Egyptian and
> kabbalistic metaphysics... And, 
> also, the "dark matter" or "antimatter" that come up
> in the cosmological 
> field equations of modern science. 
> 
> Thus, in the "mirror" diagram, I consider that the
> "dark" force or energy is 
> spinning counterclockwise to the direction of spin
> in this "light" universe. 
> (Note the gray and blue arrows that indicate this.) 
> Actually, both the light 
> and dark universe would actually be in the same
> place. So, to really 
> visualize this as a cross sectional diagram of
> spherical fields that are 
> coadunate, all we have to do is print out and fold
> the mirror diagram on its 
> central horizontal line and then see the two field
> cross sections back to 
> back and note that they are coadunate, and spinning
> in opposite directions.
> 
> The only web page that even begins to explain the
> origin of the field 
> diagrams is where I show how the first monadic field
> starts from the central 
> zero point and proceeds to emanate the ray
> centrifugally outwardly, and then 
> spirals back centripetally, and out again, in three
> cycles, to form the first 
> triune fields or primal monad. This implies (as HPB
> said) that the primal 
> force underlying gravity is both attractive and
> repulsive. Therefore, 
> "everything that goes around comes around" or what
> goes out must come back 
> in. That, of course is the fundamental basis of
> karma, as well as cycles and 
> periodicity. See:
>
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html#ancho
> 
> r1341429 (Or, you can go to the . .
> ./chakrafield.html -- and scroll down to 
> the 3 cycle diagram.)
> 
> This triple cycle keeps endlessly repeating, and as
> the zero point also spins 
> on its vertical axis, the lines of energy spiral
> inward and outward 
> vortically and (so to speak) weave three spherical
> fields, like bubbles 
> within a bubble... With their inside and outside
> circumferences connected 
> through their 3 crossover (zero) points. 
> Topologically this is like a Klien 
> bottle or a Mobius strip created from a single
> endless "ray," "line," or 
> "string" of force. This is the fundamental
> coenergetic form of all monads 
> (multidimensional triune fields) on whatever level
> of involution they appear. 
> Incidentally, the wave front of a fundamental
> photon particle on the 
> physical plane has this exact form (like a figure
> eight inscribed inside a 
> circle) -- which, because it is spinning
> perpendicular to its direction of 
> propogation, accounts for the multiple axis
> polarization of sidereal light.
> 
> This formation is entirely in conformance with the
> most advanced Superstring 
> and M-brane theory's fractal and topological
> mathematics (although I don't 
> understand one bit of it :-) -- that, postulates a
> ten (or more) dimensional 
> universe consisting of 3-directional hyperspace
> fields within fields within 
> fields, etc. -- which form their circumferential
> "membranes" out of parallel 
> "strings" of primal force. 
> 
> Thus, this fractal progression of the lower
> mind-matter fields of each monad, 
> continues indefinitely, down to the smallest
> particle (light) of our 
> phenomenal universe -- with each particle having an
> analogous and 
> corresponding seven fold nature. But this, too, is
> only an "ideal" model of 
> the "beginning," And, it goes much deeper when we
> begin to consider when and 
> how the "symmetry" breaks, and all the myriad forms
> of Nature begin to 
> "precipitate" out of the seven fold fields of
> consciousness on each plane 
> until they reach the physical plane. But, this is a
> mystery that can only be 
> comprehended intuitively on the highest planes of
> one's inner nature. 
> (Although, I found it more or less clearly
> explained, symbolically, in the 
> 
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