Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00375)

Hi Katinka,

K: I find it rather confused (sorry to be this
direct). If you haven't studied others than Blavatsky,
don't judge them. You don't know what you are talking
about. 

E: I am not following no one specific methodology once
there is nobody that offers a higher truth. I believe
this can be reached only through the inner path, and
can’t be expressed with words, or comprehended with
the logic system. I don't see where I mention that I
read only Blavatsky?

K: As for Annie Besant expelling the German section 
was for not believing in Krishnamurti being the World
Teacher - I heard the story differently. The way I
heard the story told is that she expelled Rudolf
Steiner because he refused to let people into his
German Section (he was president) who did believe in
Jiddu Krishnamurti. Which makes it a freedom of
thought issue. She had right on her side in expelling
him, in my opinion. 

E: When I was working in the International Archives of
The Theosophical Society in Adyar, I read the original
letters Annie Besant exchange in that period with the
German Section. The reason of the closing of the
German Section was they didn’t accept Krishnaji as the
new messiah. I have some references also that I could
give you but right now I am in Greece deprived of my
library. 

K: As for Krishnamurti teaching a particular path - he
didn't. The quote I sent is one of the very few where
he actually gave people advice on how to meditate.
There are far more quotes to be found where he said
that a method would get you nowhere. 
see:
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/

E: I visit the link above and there are too many
quotes, could you be more specific please. I don't
mention that Krishnaji teaches a specific path. I
mention that even many of Krishnaji followers, are
able to understand what his message. They end up
acting not different from the followers of Blavatsky
or any other teacher. 

K: The quote (if the below was a response to that) was
selected by me because it talks about slowing thought
instead of stopping it - the latter being much easier.
That he in this case advised the use of a diary to
help slow the thought is secondary to me, and I'm
pretty sure it was secondary to Krishnamurti as well. 


E: About what was primary or secondary to Krishnaji,
only him was able to know.

E:
"Disputes and conflict is ditthi-mana. Therefore the
Buddha taught us to let go of views. Don't allow mana
to cling to those views beyond their relevance."

How may someone to progress on the path, if not have
faced his dark sites? How may someone to progress in
the path if not have awaken and enlighten the dark
corners of his/her soul? How may someone to progress
if he/her does not know deeply his or her nature? How
can someone to progress if still has believes?
Necessarily will remain a silent faith on the unknown,
nothing else. 

When one wants to accelerate this process, attending
the call of his soul he will be tested friend. Facing
situations in life and conflicts in the inner self.
The real strength and power arises when someone
recognize and face his/her own weakness. This is hard
dear friend! Have you faced yours? I would advice
nobody to try; it's not a "game for children in the
kindergarten". You may not understand what am I
talking about, because of the limitations of the
language.

K: You don't advice people to face their weaknesses?
What kind of advice is that? I mean, I can understand
not advising yoga, or meditation in general, or most
other methods - they can get "the system" (as I like
to call it) pretty upset, especially if one is
psychologically unstable. But to not face your
weaknesses ... Everybody has the capacity to face
their weaknesses. And everybody who is going to do at
least the minimal amount of spiritual practice is
going to have to face their weaknesses. Facing your
weaknesses is what is going to get you off your
alcohol-abuse (not you personally - know nothing about
you). Facing ones weaknesses is going to get people
off their self-erected pedastals and be open to other
people and tolerant of their weaknesses. Facing ones
weaknesses - at any level - is the first step in
overcoming them. 

You probably didn't mean it as I read it - where are
you from, 
English is probably not your first language, is it?

E: What is needed, rather than running away or
controlling or suppressing or any other resistance, is
understanding fear; that means, watch it, learn about
it, come directly into contact with it. We are to
learn about fear, not how to escape from it. Jiddu
Krishnamurti 

In my previous email I mention and I emphasise that:
This is hard dear friend! Have you faced yours? I
would advice nobody to try; it's not a "game for
children in the kindergarten". I don’t know were you
saw my advice for somebody to try? Actually I am just
exchanging ideas.

About the comments you made after on facing weakness I
agree. One of the Chinese oldest teaching, which is
the heart of martial art is: only when someone face
and knows his weakness/fears he is going to have real
strength. Actually anyone that is going into a battle
has to know it to win the great enemy. Of course here
the battle I refer is in the inner-self. But this is
not applied for shallow persons fascinated with the
“Theosophical teachings” or any philosophical or
religious system.

K: Can you tell us where the quotes came from?

“The Buddha Vipassana Krishnamurti Research studies”
http://www.buddhanet.net/bvk_study/bvk216b.htm
The specific quote is from: from ''Samma Samadhi'' an
article by Shri S N Goenka.

Best wishes,

Erica Letzerich


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