Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00360)

In a message dated 03/17/03 5:07:59 AM, mail@katinkahesselink.net writes:

>WOW,
>
>There is an actual discussion including content on here! Butting in 
>as usual. Below. 
>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
>> No. Unconditioned reality is the noumenal state of the Cosmos while 
>> it is resting in Paranishpanna, or asleep in Pralaya. That noumenal 
>> state cannot be "scientized" -- since, in itself, it is unexpressed. 
>> Yet, paradoxically, it is not the "Absolute," since it is a force in 
itself 
>> that is in eternal motion ("spinergy"). Empty of form, but not empty
>> of potentiality of form. Thus, unconditioned, but not non-existent. 
>> Chew on that. :-)
>
>Chewing and totally disagreeing, I think.

Totally? What do you disagree with? There are at least three separate ideas 
in that paragraph. You also took it out of context and, presumedly, have no 
idea what question I was answering, or what statement I was referring to. 
Therefore, your following statement, while it may be correct, is a non 
sequitur. In any event, the facts of my statement above are exactly what the 
Secret Doctrine teaches. 

>I always understood the stanza's to have at least two meanings. One 
>time dependent - as above: the universe was in paranishpanna ages 
>ago. Now it is not. The fundamental ground of It was there, and 
>nothing else was.
>On the other hand (second meaning) - the fundamental ground never 
>changed, is still there, unconditioned reality is the foundation of 
>all our life here now. And our consciousness can get up (or down) to 
>it. Maybe that is what you were saying - I don't know. I have trouble 
>understanding most of what you write.

Sorry about that. What don't you understand? Admittedly, my writing is 
necessarily complex, since I am attempting to write logically, about 
conditions of the Cosmos (from a scientific point of view) and the 
involutional processes of its field genesis, that are extremely difficult to 
talk about -- since they involve dimensions beyond those that we can conceive 
of in our reasoning mind. Yet, they can be symbolically modeled and, with 
proper mental focus and concentration, intuited in our Buddhi mind.

To clarify my statement... As you said in another post, "...that things can 
cease to be still been" -- my original statement that the "unconditioned 
reality (while appearing to be "empty") is NOT non existent" -- still stands. 
That unconditioned reality is the "foundation of all our life here now" and 
can be reached in our highest consciousness. That is the condition of 
absolute bliss and harmony (Samadhi) when we are completely one pointed in 
awareness and all our seven inner fields have become absorbed in that point. 

As for the meaning in the Book of Dzyan, you are confusing the "unconditioned 
reality" we were speaking about, with the Absolute reality. As Krishna, 
representing the Absolute (or "all Presence") said, "I create this entire 
universe out of one small part of myself and yet remain separate"... 
Therefore, the "Absolute reality" always remains undiminished and unchanged, 
whether or not the Cosmos is unconditioned and asleep in paranishpanna 
(Cosmic pralaya), or conditioned as the manifest universe (Cosmic 
manvantara). 

I was only speaking of the latter two states that begin with the "Eternal 
Parent" and her "ever invisible robes" who had "slumbered once again for 
seven eternity's." (Remember, this Cosmos is only one out of an infinite 
number of possible universes.) Therefore, this "Mother" of the present Cosmos 
(or conditioned reality) -- is the "unconditioned reality" that cannot be 
conceptualized, or, as Mauri says, "scientized" -- since it is both timeless 
and formless. (But we can imagine its motion as being a continuous spinning 
of its zero-point, like the center point of the axle of a spinning wheel.) 
Yet, unlike the Absolute, which is ineffable, it is the noumenal root of the 
phenomenal universe, and thus, "exists" in potential, as a sleeping force in 
constant cyclic motion. Its "invisible robes" are the different aspects of 
its total force (or "spinergy") that represents the noumena of the ten fold 
nature (or fields of consciousness) of its initial phenomenal manifestation. 
Seven of these fields are also the robes or energy-mind-bodies of the first 
Dhyan Chohans, or seven degrees of initial consciousness that constitute "The 
Grand Architect of the Universe." 

Actually, since every involutional process in the universe can be understood 
by analogy and correspondence ("as above, so below") and follows the 
fundamental laws of cycles and periodicity, the same process of Cosmic 
involution can apply to Solar involution as well as the involution of the 
fields that represent our individual seven fold nature. Therefore, my 
discussion and geometric models describing the scientific basis of this 
involutional process, is quite general in its scope, and has to be applied at 
whatever level of genesis we are considering. 

Best wishes,

LHM 
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