Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00263)

Hi Et-zion and all of you,

Thanks for your email.

My views are:
Etzion wrote in the below email:
"The rabbis, (meaning masters in ancient Hebrew), tried to keep their
> flock away from those worshippers of the lower planes, and they had to use
> all kinds of tactics to divide their flock from the rest of the world, in
> order to establish a nucleus of people who would be centered on the higher
> planes, and thus create the path for the rest of humanity. It was meant to
> be a universal path, but it turned to be a narrow religion, which ended in
> failure, sadly so."

My answer:
Yes indeed, it was not so good, what happened then. And today 2003 we -
according to my humble view- see to a certain extent a USA support for the
present version of it although it has grown into something somewhat better -
and to somebodys taste something more eatable.
Have you ever been to Jerusalem ? If so you will understand, what I am
talking about, when I say, that it is mostly the Zionistic groups (and their
trolls), which create the trouble in Israel today. Not that the muslims are
that much behind. But let us do our best and be as objective as possible.
I am not a jew-hater. A great number of jews are according to my view
allright and mean well. But a number which is about just as relatively high
are according to my view NOT well meaning, but sick.

Etzion wrote in the below email:
"Now, as per Islam goes, a good look at the mirror won't hurt. If there is a
> system now, which treats people as inferior, this is Islam. There are the
> holly Moslems, and the rest of the world, as second graded people. Heaven
is
> only for a good Moslem, and this is the notion of other religiona as
well -
> Judaism, Christianity Islam etc, that its followers only would inherit
> *heaven*."


My answer:
Why should Islam be worse than the jews or certain violent Zionistic groups
? It seem that this is your view, so I ask you ?
I think one should be very carefull about falling for televised propaganda.
And I think, that if one already has a cultural bias - and lack cultural
knowledge about Islam, then one should be carefull to jump to conclusions
about Islam being an axis of evil, as you seems to put it.
Am I right ?

The evil comes in - when one gets cultural biased. Think about this sentence
for a while.

USA - now there is an evil country - if there have ever been one. Drugs -
herion, cocain, crack, exessive sexual behaviours, cultural imperialism on a
level which would blow any muslim fart to heaven because of its religious
level. A country where the leaders are ignoring or joking about religions
(and when they take them seroiusly - they START a war !)
When they want to elect a leader - it turns into a farce or a Hollywood
show, and the result is known in advance by some few powerfull persons. They
guy with the money - wins ! They call that democracy. What a joke !
They have had more than one leader, which have supported the invasion of
Vietnam and other wars - and threw a lot of young kids - down the drain.
They have a leader supporting - with some right i would say - the Jews and
leaders of Isreal against the palaestinians. (But only with some right - and
that is not much spiritually seen).
There is a saying that "a danish, that is something we eat". well I am a
Dane from Denmark, i.e. I am "danish". Maybe that is why I oppose USA so
much. They eat everything in that country - and live unhealthy !
>:-)



Iraq - now there is an evil country - if there has ever been one. They
oppose USA. Thet won't live like, what some calls civilized, - i.e. cultural
imperialism, drugs - herion and crack etc., free sexual behaviour, having
their leaders ignoring or joking about religions. They are really religious
in that country. They are also poor - and a lot of them are certainly not as
fat as those from USA. They accept that the leader has to sit for more than
4 years, so to get more out of a leadership. They have a leader which is
suppresing the people - by being a leader. They have a leader which invaded
Quwait (- and that was very bad, yes). They have a leader which is NOT a
sweetheart. They have a leader supporting - with some right i would say -
the palaestinians against the Zionistic jews. (But only with some right -
and that is not much spiritually seen).

I hope you do get the picture - and are able to laugh about it all, while
also being seroiusly.

Now you tell me what is worst ?
According to me - both constitutes a problem, which United Nations will have
to solve sooner or later. Well the governments of France and Germany
knows about these differences. But do they really honestly care ? And what
about other countries and their leaders - political and religious and
spiritual ?

These are my views.
Feel free to comment or do your best...

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Etzion Becker" <etvionbb@netvision.net.il>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Steiner and Hitler were contemporaries


>
> I looked at this site, which is an interesting Moslem site, meant for the
> conversion of people to Islam, which is o.k. with me. We accept Islam as
one
> of the main monotheistic religions, even I myself who came from one of
these
> religion (Judaism), has no interest with one particular religion. The link
> below attempts to project the Jewish people as racists, as haters of the
> gentiles, the Goyim. This is again a typical quoting from texts without
> regard for the broad picture. To begin with, it is wrong to use the term
> *Jewish*. There was the Hebrew nation which included the Children of
Israel,
> the Children of Ishmael, Edomites, and a few other tribes which ensue from
> Abraham and his sons. The Children of Israel accepted the monotheistic
> approach to the spiritual life, as was initiated by Abraham, and was
> established finally by Moses. It is more correct to call this religion
"The
> Law of Moses", and not Judaism. The other Hebrew tribes were pagans, idol
> worshippers, including the sons of Ishmael - the Arabs. Human sacrifices
> were rife, it was a common practice those days to appease the angry Gods,
> when there was famine, earthquake, war and other disasters, with what was
> considered most dear - a young child. They would burn alive young children
> to Moloch and other gods, and this even affected the Children of Israel,
> with whom Moses and other great spiritual leaders tried to reestablish the
> lost spiritual way, which we find today also in Theosophy. Pagan worship
was
> also very entertaining and charming, drinking, taking hallucinogenic
drugs,
> and orgies. This what happened when the Children of Israel were sinning
with
> the golden calf, while Moses was convening with the spiritual hierarchy,
> drawing the outlines for the restoration of humanity. This addiction to
the
> lower desires, which is actually pagan worship, is extremely difficult to
> eradicate. Now, you can start to understand why the rabbis used such
> expressions towards their neighboring countries - the gentiles. All their
> neighbors were idol worshippers, worshipping the lower man, the physical
> realm. The rabbis, (meaning masters in ancient Hebrew), tried to keep
their
> flock away from those worshippers of the lower planes, and they had to use
> all kinds of tactics to divide their flock from the rest of the world, in
> order to establish a nucleus of people who would be centered on the higher
> planes, and thus create the path for the rest of humanity. It was meant to
> be a universal path, but it turned to be a narrow religion, which ended in
> failure, sadly so.
> Now, as per Islam goes, a good look at the mirror won't hurt. If there is
a
> system now, which treats people as inferior, this is Islam. There are the
> holly Moslems, and the rest of the world, as second graded people. Heaven
is
> only for a good Moslem, and this is the notion of other religiona as
well -
> Judaism, Christianity Islam etc, that its followers only would inherit
> *heaven*.
> I trust through Theosophy and such like advanced spiritual movements, the
> unity of all mankind, as a spiritual body, will dominate over self
> importance and narrow interests. Best wishes, Etzion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Steiner and Hitler were contemporaries
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> > Hi Bart and all of you,
> >
> > Well, try reading the scriptures, the history-books and even recent
> history.
> > Then your memory might get a new outlook onto the world.
> > Maybe this is helpfull:
> > http://jews-for-allah.org/the-Jewish-Bible/racism-in-talmud.htm
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
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> > From: "Bart Lidofsky" <bartl@sprynet.com>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Steiner and Hitler were contemporaries
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> > > Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
> > > > The new Jew is now the Muslims, well at least to a certain degree.
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> > > I don't recall that the Jews believed that all non-Jews should be
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