Theos-Talk Archives (February 2003 Message tt00231)

Yah,,,,,
We must stop addressing Germany to natzie's and Russia to Communist.. its in
the fare past and they are very peace full people now,, they have suffered
enough a bout the past they good ally's and want the best for the world. We
must reach and keep the unity in Europe and aid each other to be ad the same
level so we all have equal rights in having a good live and equal right to
have a good study job or starting a business any wear in Europe and Russia.
world war II was a good lesson for every boddy. and every country made the
same mistake. its easy to point ad Adolf Hitler but he was just a tool and a
voice of the people who where in poverty and had hopes for a better future.
If we are not careful all this can repeat its self so we must stand united
in the UN and EU.

What ever Bush tries to spit on Europe ill spit back and wont give a finger
to help his government gain more power to this tribal man.
Tony Blair must stop playing his lab dog, yesterday 2000000 British
civilians protested against unjustified wore.

Right sadam housin is a bad man and did bad things in his past.
There are no weppons of masdirtucktion in iraq
There is no right to invade a country and kill innocent civilians if there
are still other options left besides wore

America must back off and learn its lesson there is no such thing as a super
race of super power we will fight you .



----- Original Message -----
From: "cesar joanino" <adviser77@msn.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: On Reincarnaiton -- Questions & Answers


> dear leon
> i guess what you had stated is truth.this anti semetic rantings must be
stop
> it is annoying whether this people who claimed to be the master race
before
> is remembered as murderers who blindly follow a setting of mass murders
and
> extermination of a race,who causes world war II that almost destroy the
> entire civilisation of europe who shows to the world a form of barbarism
> wanton destruction of human life properties a truth undeniable and leave a
> permanent marks in the annals of human history.
> i guss theosophy has nothing to do with this .it was misinterpreted and
use
> to advance a negative cause to achieve power by misguidance,and therefore
> was able to justify the murders torture of other race very selfish indeed
> and misleading.the days of nazi germany is gone but the legacy it leaves
is
> unforgrttable so stop this ranting it is all over we must work for the
best
> of our planet so that in the long run we reaf a good karma for ourselves
and
> for all
>
> cesar
>
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>
>
> >From: leonmaurer@aol.com
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: On Reincarnaiton -- Questions & Answers
> >Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 05:59:46 EST
> >
> >Herr Reitemeyer:
> >
> >Your continued irrational anti semitic and anti American rantings are
> >getting
> >to be a bore.
> >
> >If that's your idea of evidence based on opinions or random remarks by
> >equally misled, prejudiced, or mistaken people (regardless of their
> >notoriety) -- about a subject that can be proven scientifically -- then
> >your
> >paranoid prejudicial nonsense that judges entire groups of people by
their
> >belief in a particular religion, their distinctive conditions or physical
> >characteristics, or the actions of their ancestors in an entirely
different
> >historical epoch -- is as ignorant, arrogant, false, and as viciously
> >RACIST
> >as the "Master Race" philosophies promulgated by Hitler and the countless
> >thousands of your German elitist compatriots who agreed with and followed
> >his
> >Nazi party lines and participated in or looked the other way during the
> >enslavement and murdering of 6 million "inferior" people during WW2. Do
> >all
> >those who abhor such evil acts have the right, now and in perpetuity, to
> >condemn and persecute the entire German people as a "race" (as if there
> >could
> >be such a thing) for the crimes of their ancestors? Your kind of twisted
> >racist reasoning is the only thing that might condone such a response.
> >
> >You can't deny these truths, because I was there in 1945 (in Military
> >Intelligence as a Historical Photographer and communication expert) and
saw
> >the bodies, ovens and mass graves, and helped verify the body counting
from
> >all the Nazi concentration camps -- as well as printed and correlated the
> >photographic files, some of which were used later at the Nuremberg
trials.
> >I
> >also processed in my lab in Darmstadt, hundreds of rolls of film taken
> >unofficially by front line soldiers who liberated some of those camps.
> >While
> >the government didn't want to release those ugly pictures in the US --
(for
> >political reasons, I suppose, fearing a kick back from the American
public
> >because of the former Nazi rocket scientists and technicians they were
> >bringing out as well as the Marshall Plan contracts for rebuilding of
> >Germany
> >'s infrastructure) -- I was instrumental in smuggling many official and
> >unoficial prints of the ovens, bodies and open graves out of Germany and
> >leaking them to the US press in November of 1945, while other friends in
MI
> >and OSS leaked the total body count numbers. Since those pictures were
> >also
> >used to help finance the Israeli Army on Cypress in 1946 with ships, guns
> >and
> >ammunition, you might as well blame me for the "Return to Israel" of the
> >Jewish nation. :-)
> >
> >From my experience with interrogating military officers and other German
> >officials after WW2, you sound now like you (if you were old enough then)
> >would have been an ideal member of the SS. As a self professed
> >theosophist,
> >you make a travesty of the teachings of HPB about Universal Brotherhood
and
> >the ethical/moral principles of theosophy... Since, all you seem to be
able
> >to extract from the SD is the same Aryan racism and anti Semitism the
> >Nazi's
> >intentionally misinterpreted, distorted and propagandized to justify
their
> >inhumanities, including slavery and extermination of Jews and other
falsely
> >labeled "inferior races" -- to achieve world conquest and make
"lebensraum"
> >for German Aryan Master Racists like yourself -- who base their
judgements
> >of
> >superiority on the outward characteristics of one's physical body shape
and
> >color.
> >
> >As all your opinions seem to be based on your own personal hatreds and
> >prejudices, rooted in your arrogant, elitist, German Master Race warrior
> >culture mentality, why should anyone believe you about anything? Even
your
> >selective historical research appears to be obviously colored by your
> >personal inbred racist and anti-Semitic beliefs, biases, misjudgments,
and
> >preconceptions.
> >
> >In any event, how could the sins of the fathers be the karma of their
sons?
> >What difference would it make if someone was the descendant of Moses or
any
> >other ancient Hebrew, Israelite, Sepahardic, or "Ashkenazi" Jew? And
even
> >if
> >those people's ancestors did something you consider as evil, what
relation
> >would that have to the guilt or innocence of their modern descendants?
> >What
> >gives you the right to judge them? What kind of "authorities" on race or
> >religion are all those famous people whose names you dropped? Saying you
> >have all their "statements" and can pull them out of your records is just
a
> >lot of "implied lie" (or "sly lie" as we called it in the trade)
propaganda
> >bluster. And, even if you could dig them out, what scientific value
would
> >such opinionated non-evidence have? And, what is the nature of an
> >"artificial race" (unless its the fact that you and your kind have
> >arbitrarily and prejudicially "created" the Hebrew religionists as a race
> >in
> >your own minds, so as to justify your own racism and anti-Semitism)?
And,
> >what do the "political and geographical implications" of your innuendo
> >loaded
> >questions have to do with proving your case that such so called "Jews"
are
> >a
> >race? Such tricky propaganda ploys are as transparent as water. Talk
> >about
> >a joker (or should I say downright prevaricator)? -- you take the cake.
> >
> >Therefore, to anyone with any discernment, your statements below -- as
well
> >as in all your previous anti-Semitic and Hitler's Master Race justifying
> >diatribes, denials of the holocaust and other historical realities, that
> >sound like nothing more than the irrational ranting of a small minded,
> >paranoid racist and conspiracy freak -- would appear to be a lot of
> >claptrap
> >with no rational or scientific credibility whatsoever.
> >
> >LHM
> >
> >(One might also wonder what the German or American federal authorities
> >might
> >say about such Neo-Nazi, anti Semitic, racist, and antigovernment
> >propaganda
> >you regularly spew out publicly on the Internet open access mail lists?)
> >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 02/14/03 4:21:12 PM, dhyana@web.de writes:
> >r
> > >Leon:
> > >of religious believers (Jews are neither a tribe nor a race) would have
> > >to
> > >
> > >Nice joke.
> > >I have hundreds of statements from leading Jews past and present that
> >Jews
> > >are a race, from Karl Marx over Benjamin Disraeli to Benjamin Franklin,
> > >Menachim Begin and Chaim Weizmann.
> > >Do you want me to go to my shelves and look for them?
> > >And why did HPB classify the Jews as a race? Moreover as an artificial
> >race?
> > >Another question would be: Are the Jews today the decendants of the
> >historical
> > >and biblical Hebrews or not? And if not, if they actually were just
> >Ashkenazins
> > >what political and geographical implications would follow from it?
> > >Frank
> >
> >
> >
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>
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