Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00605)

Hi Lenny. Based on that very long link that I supplied on my web site, which you
wisely knew would break in this forum when you supplied it in your posting, you
wrote:

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For further information regarding these objects,
and what they encompass, see:
http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/3-
ObjectsOfTheosophicalMovement/TheObjects.html (join these two lines)
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In order to be a little helpful to some people, here's a much shorter link that
will get people to the "3-Objects" section. It goes to the 2nd of the 18 sections
that are found on the "Additional" articles index page, and is entitled "THE
HISTORICAL WORLD-WIDE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT". The link to the "3-Objects" index
page is the 2nd of the three links that are in it:
http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html#2

John DeSantis
(Compiler)
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You may find a great deal of the Truth that you
are searching for here:

WisdomWorld.org web site (Main Page):
http://www.wisdomworld.org

This is the Index page of the "Introductory",
"Setting the Stage" book, which was especially
compiled for newcomers to Theosophy:
http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html

The page where "Additional" articles are slowly
being added (which contains 18 sections that
can each be clicked on at the top of the page
in order to go directly down to them, as well
as to get the link to any particular section
that you may want to use in a posting on a
discussion board, or in an e-mail to someone):
http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html

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"PUBLIC & PRIVATE ENTERPRISE DEVELOPMENT FORUM":
This next link is to the most updated version of my
economic-project proposal to humanity, a practical
project to help our suffering humanity that I also
consider to be Theosophical. In it you will find a new
and unique, but mostly unknown, economic system
model that might be able to put an end to involuntary
poverty on earth. How? It presents a way to fully
finance everything of importance that is needed
in every nation. Because of this it's well worth
pointing to. Please note that, for strategic reasons,
of wanting it to have the best chance of being
accepted by all peoples worldwide, no matter
what their religious, philosophical, and
scientific beliefs are, I've put it on a
completely different web site; it contains
no mention of, or link to, the Theosophy and
the Theosophical Movement that is presented
on my WisdomWorld.org web site:
http://www.PublicAndPrivateEnterprise.org

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leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:

> Friends,
>
> To clear the air a bit, and, hopefully, bring everyone into alignment, let me
> interject the following:
>
> The Theosophical Movement -- reestablished in this cycle by HPB -- has three
> objects, which are given equal weight. They are:
>
> 1. "To form the *nucleus* of the universal brotherhood of humanity" (NOT form
> the universal brotherhood itself) - (my *emphasis* and comments)
> 2. "The study of ancient and modern religions, philosophies and sciences, and
> the *demonstration* of the importance of such study"
> 3. "The *investigation* of the unexplained laws of Nature and the psychical
> powers latent in man" (NOT their practice)
>
> For further information regarding these objects, and what they encompass,
> see:
> http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/3-
> ObjectsOfTheosophicalMovement/TheObjects.html (join these two lines)
>
> Fulfillment of the first object can only come about when each theosophist,
> through their individual self determined and self devised study and effort,
> attains self realization, and understands who they are, where they came from,
> and where they are going (along with every other human "being")... And,
> thereby, becomes capable of helping and teaching others. This cannot come
> about by blind belief in anyone else's opinions or assertions. But, does
> require a clear understanding of those aspects of practical knowledge covered
> by the second and third objects.
>
> The goal is to clearly comprehend the true basis and nature of ultimate
> reality, including, among other ideas and concepts, the unity of all beings,
> the essentiality of opposites, the triune and cyclic nature of both
> individual and universal existence, and the fundamental unity of both
> consciousness and form, spirit and matter, karma and reincarnation.
>
> This comprehension can come about through deep study of all the sciences,
> both metaphysical and physical, and determining the linkages between the two
> aspects (subjective and objective) of Life, based on the metaphysical
> connections, relationships, and coenergetic linkages between Spirit (or consci
> ousness) and Matter (or form). This requires, in addition to such study, a
> full and complete understanding of the Three Fundamental Principles of
> Theosophy (as outlined in the Proem of the Secret Doctrine) plus the
> understanding of the Book of Dzyan's Cosmogenesis and Anthropogenesis --
> based on the commentaries explaining it in the SD.
>
> There are several practical methods by which this self realization and
> knowledge may come about.
>
> One method, is to experience the unity of self, mind and body -- by
> introspective observation of ones own inner nature, and merging one's
> consciousness into the universal consciousness... Thereby, directly knowing,
> intuitively, the true nature of all existence. This experience (of
> enlightenment) can come about though regular practice of deep meditation, or
> self study, reinforced by book learning and continued questioning.
>
> There are many different techniques -- to suit each individual's personal
> karma and position or circumstance in life -- by which such yoga can be
> practiced and self realization achieved. Such methods of practice can be
> taught by a guru, learned from a book, grasped intuitively, or
> instantaneously achieved by the culmination of ones karmic path through a
> long series of previous lifetimes... Although, there is no reason why this
> cannot occur in one lifetime with proper study and practice. In any event,
> the goals are the same.
>
> Since there is no single way for everyone to achieve this enlightenment, any
> advice given as to a method of meditative practice can only be valid for the
> one who offers it, and for those on the same path. Theosophy (in addition to
> the SD) offers several books, The Voice of the Silence, and the Yoga
> Aphorisms of Patanjali (supplemented by the Dammapada and the Tao Te Ching)
> as aids along this meditative path. (There are also other methods of such
> yoga practices related to Buddhism and Hinduism, that could be effective.
> Although, some may be difficult or dangerous without a qualified teacher.)
> So, it's up to each individual student to determine their own meditative path
> and practice for themselves.
>
> These "religious" or "yoga" practices, coupled with a "study of all the
> ancient and modern sciences, religions and philosophies" lead not only to
> self realization and becoming a "nucleus of Universal Brotherhood" -- but
> also, helps one understand the "psychical powers latent in man." Therefore,
> the three objects must be accepted, and worked on, as an indivisible unity.
> Since, the way each one goes about synthesizing and fulfilling them, being
> dependent on individual karma and self willed motive, such study and practice
> must be left for each student to decide for themselves.
>
> Depending on individual needs during a particular stage of theosophical study
> and training -- one student may require scientific and technical knowledge,
> another may require a meditative practice --and a third, might require
> knowledge of the ancient occult philosophies and so called magical or
> alchemical processes. Whatever the need, the answers can only come about by
> asking questions, whether openly, or to oneself, and searching diligently for
> the answers in a true spirit of inquiry.
>
> Therefore, the student/teachers, or those of greater knowledge answering
> specific questions of students at a lower level of knowledge, might be
> divided into several groups -- using methods, focussing on each of these
> different aspects of universal knowledge, particular to each individual
> teacher... With each teacher fully cognizant of the teachings of the others,
> and how they interrelate to form a consistent whole that conforms with the
> fundamental principles, and can be referenced and confirmed in the Secrete
> Doctrine and/or in other similarly consistent books and articles by HPB and
> her direct, initiated disciples.
>
> So, from here on out we might let each of those self professed
> student/teachers who actually do, or plan to use this forums as their "school
> of theosophy" -- speak for themselves. And, by their fruits, we will know
> them... And, thereby, when their teachings are seen to be consistent with
> fundamental principles, choose to follow what they teach and integrate it
> with what we know -- with full cognizance of their limitations and the
> dangers, should such teachings be taken without question. It follows, then,
> that each teacher, whether they agree or disagree with another's teachings or
> methods,should also show respect for each other -- as a practical expression
> of Universal Brotherhood. It should also be understood that theosophy,
> itself, is a holistic, synthetic teaching, and not limited to magic,
> meditation, alchemy, astrology, science, yoga, or any other narrowly focused
> studies (although, they are all important to understand relatedly).
>
> Therefore, there's no reason why any "school of theosophy" shouldn't be
> divided into separate "classes" based on the needs of individual students,
> with different teachers emphasizing their own special knowledge -- one being
> a yogi, another a scientist, another an alchemist, another a philosopher,
> another a historian, another a researcher, another a compiler, etc., etc. --
> while working together toward a common goal
>
> Since the "basis" of theosophy is the accumulated wisdom of the ages -- which
> must be consistent with the Three Fundamental Principles (as consolidated,
> synthesized, and explained in the Secret Doctrine) -- who's to say whether or
> not one method, one teaching, or one path is better than another -- so long
> as we all agree with those Principles and follow, simultaneously, the Three
> Objects of the Theosophical Movement?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> LHM
>
> In a message dated 01/24/03 2:38:10 AM, wry1111@earthlink.net writes:
>
> (previous correspondence cut -- but considered)
>
> >Hi. Below are some final comments. I do not have time for too much more of
> >this, as I am self-employed and I have to get some work done, so I will not
> >be on here as much. My plan is to make some comments about Alice Bailey
> >and the Lucis Trust and also to read Psychic and Noetic Action and to comment
> >on this, plus answer some other messages I have saved for quite a while.
> >Below is a further comments.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
> >To: "Theosophy Study List" <theos-l@list.vnet.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:21 PM
> >Subject: Theos-World RE: functions Consciousness and Attention
> >
> >>To "discriminate" implies the ability to distinguish, to
> >evaluate, and then choice as an effort of the will is applied in
> >selection. I would say that the best way to do this is to make
> >ones self totally impersonal. If one has biases, the recording
> >can be skewed or influenced by them. How do we make ourselves
> >free of biases ?.<
> >
> ><But again this does not define the "WILLER." I assume one might
> >say the "willer" is the REAL ME -- whatever it might be called
> >( Ego, Self, Spirit, Mind, etc.)]
> >
> >
> >WRY:There is no "", in my opinion, that exists on its own side as an
> >independent entity. There is, though, an essence which can grow up and
> >learn to do consciously, but in order for the real work to begin, many
> >karmic stains need to be erased. Until then, it is better not to build an
> idea
> >systems on a false base. If things get too mixed up, with false "spiritual"
> >notions, it may be to hard to undo the damage.
> >
> >There is an illusion of continuity which is most tragic, as a person
> >in experiences one or two moments in a month or a year or several years,
> >which everything, temporarily comes together in such a way that there is
> >a sense of an "oversoul" or whatever you want to call it, and it is so
> >powerful and such a contrast that there is an identification with this. If a
> >person experiences this in a continuity, moment after moment, day after
> >day, he is connected to the higher intelligence of his system functioning at
> >optimum. But this is not the case. People experience this for a few moiments
> >and then fantasy that they possess a continuity that they do not. No one
> >who tricks himself in this way will ever admit it, as it is part of his
> persona
> >which is built on a movement away from pain toward pleasure. I am not
> >talking about you, necessarily, but about any of us, including me. This is
> >the nature of the human personality which will go to any ends to perserve
> >it's defense structure.
> >
> >In my opinion, it is better not to constantly think and talk about
> >"immortality" and and reincarnation in a certain way as it throws people off
> >the track and keeps them from making the efforts they need to make to free
> >themselves from their tethers. It is not a good way to cleanse oneself of
> >karmic stains and to accumulate merit, but if yiou wish to do this, it is
> >your perogative and I cannot stop you. I wish you the best in your
> >continuing struggle to cleanse yourself of karmic impuirities, develop true
> >impartiality, and establish a universal brotherhood. These are my aims
> >also. Sincerely, Wry p.s and I hope this is just the beginning of enquiry
> and
> >not the end of it.
> >
>
>
>
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