BA G to Jerry S., Final Series of Answers to Theos-Talk
Jan 24, 2003 02:54 AM
by Bhakti Ananda Goswami " <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I have been requested to post my last series of answers regarding
Buddhism etc. to Jerry S. here on Theos-Talk. I will not be
responding to any more insulting or accusatory comments or questions
on this site, so don't bother writing them at or to me. - BA G
Dear Jerry S. and Blavatskiana egroup Members,
Regrettably I am physically no longer able to carry on either my
private correspondence. I often get more than 30 emails a day (not
impersonal trash mail), plus regular mail and phone calls. I am
and don't have a secretary who could possibly answer the questions
get. So to reduce my stress level from getting more and more behind
time, I am now going to stop almost all of my correspondence both
I have appreciated the thoughtful comments of people on this site, and
apologize that I was physically unable to respond to the many
raised. I wanted to respond, but I have had a personal counseling
that took most of my energy, and had priority over my internet
correspondence. The last several days I have begun informing people
am retiring from this counseling ministry.
Soon I hope to post some text evidence here of the relationship
Krishna-Vishnu worship and Pure Land Buddhism. I will compare a few
many verses in the Bhagavad gita and the essential Pure Land Text, the
Saddharmapundarika,which are written in the same Vaishnava Sanskrit
specifically Krishna-centric Vaishnava cultus Deity Names and terms)
the same things. I am editing this for posting here and may be ready
it tomorrow or the next day. I will post this material on Buddhism in
several posts. I hope that many of your assertions and others'
will be answered in these posts, as I do not has the strength to
material to respond to everyone's posts.
Below are a few comments at /////, AND BELOW THAT IS A SYNOPSIS OF MY
PLANNED COMPLETION OF MY SARAGRAHI.ORG SERIES ON THE ANCIENT GLOBAL
OF BUDDHISM. I HAVE ALREADY POSTED 9 SHORT 'INTRODUCTORY' ARTICLES ON
BUDDHISM THERE. Due to my illness I will not be able to answer any
individually, so all I can do is direct you to what I have already
and plan to write on Buddhism there.
best wishes to all,
Bhakti Ananda Goswami / David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Schueler" Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:55 AM
Subject: [Blavatskiana] Re to Bill
> <<<The discussion would be so much better if BA G and Jerry would
> same list and talk directly with each other. Wait, what am I
> are together on a list. This one. Please consider talking with
> directly. >>>
> OK, Bill. I will post my comments to BAG's Parts 2, 3, and 4 here
> things started.
> I have only a few major criticisms of BAG's comments:
> First, he doesn't seem to understand Buddhism very well, and is very
> against it
BA G /// I have been initiated into three schools of Pure Land
Buddhism. I have
continued to practice the daily recitation of Tibetan, Chinese and
'Other-Power' Pure Land Buddhist Invocation Mantras, and to observe my
Buddhist vows, including the Great Compassion (Bodhisattva) vow of
Avalokiteshvara for over 20 years. I have read Pure Land Scriptures
Sanskrit. The home that I live in has been converted into a temple,
entire 'living room' used for a temple room. 'My' home (when I have
been in ashrams), has been a temple for over 30 years. Many of those
have eaten only one simple ahimsa meal a day, lived (slept too) on
with no furniture, and never used chairs. I have spent long periods
shaved head, and have worn only my simple un sewn robes and cast-off
clothing for many years. By vow, I eat no flesh including fish or
not touch intoxicants of any kind including coffee or colas, I am
chaste and have also taken a vow of satya. On my 'altar', there are
and Prasadam from the countless Buddhist Holy Places I have made
to in Japan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, India and elsewhere. There is a "FREE
Tibetan Flag in the very front of the lowest shelf on my 'altar'. At
of every day, I transfere all of the 'merit' of my day's tapasya,
austerities and sufferings to all beings. The above are all Pure Land
Buddhist practices. In addition to my study and life-long PRACTICE of
Land Buddhism, I have also studied other Buddhist traditions
ascertain their historical relationship to Pure Land Buddhism and
Vaishnavism, which the Pure Land Tradition is very closely related to.
Thus I would not say that I am prejudiced against Buddhism :)
> Most of his criticisms are bogus, as for example his continuing
> labeling of atheism where it does not apply.
BA G /// Sri Lankan Theravadin Buddhism and other forms of Buddhism
atheistic. My criticism of HPB was that she mixed-up and merged not
Theravadin and Mahayana Buddhism, but added Advaiti Hindu, Sikh and
things to the mix, and then presented them all in the contrext of a
cosmogenesis appropriated from the Vaishnavas.
> Secondly, he seems to think that Blavatsky was a Hinayanaist when
BA G ///// I pointed out that if her 'Buddhist initiation' was with
Olcott in Sri
Lanka, (as Theosophical sources indicate) IT WAS HINAYANIST /
repeatedly pointed out that she was teaching the Mahayana doctrine of
Bodhisattvas, which she refers to with the term Nirmanyakaya.
> No Hinayana Buddhist could have written the Voice of the Silence.
BA G /// Of course I agree with you, and I never said she was a
rather that she was NOT presenting Theravadin teachings ! I was
out that if she was initiated into Theravada, she had moved on to a
perspective. I was describing the evolution of her / the Masters'
from her / their first teachings in the East, to her / their later
> I have elsewhere shown that she hinted at many of the teachings of
> considered to be the highest teaching of Tibetan Buddhism.
BA G /// Have you read the Sanskrit sources of Tibetan traditions?
If you do not
know Sanskrit, I suggest that you read "the Cult of Tara"
BA G /// ... Beyer, Stephan. The Cult of Tara: Magic and Ritual in
University of California
Press, 1978. (classic text on Tibetan Tara rituals).
BA G /// This important text gives the Roman transliteration and an
translation of the original Sanskrit of the Tibetan Rituals of Holy
Tara. If you were familiar with some of the rites / rityas of
and Sanskrit Names of Krishna-Vishnu, then you would immediately
these in some of the Buddhist rites of Tara.
> And thirdly, he seems to think that everyone should practice Bhakti
> worship God.
BA G /// Bhakti is LOVING DEVOTION, and yes it is for everyone, and I
recommend it for even the most dried-up, skeptical and
cynical 'souls'. As
for GOD, in Vaishnavism, the 'worship' of GOD ESS is not actually
recommended. WORSHIP IMPLIES AWE AND REVERANCE OF THE KING AND
or MASTER AND SERVANT RASA / FLAVOR. Such 'worship' is not the
calling for souls in the Vaishnava Tradition of Bhakti Yoga. Instead
higher RASAS OR FLAVORS OF DIVINE LOVE are intimate FRIENDSHIP,
CHILD or LOVER & BELOVED relationships, DEVOID of the restrictions of
aweful WORSHIP. Without the impediments of aweful reverence, LOVE CAN
DEVELOP AND BE EXPRESSED SPONTANEOUSLY. GOD ESS Sri Sri Radha &
RASA RAJA and RASA RAJANI, the King and Queen (Rex / Regent and
ALL Flavors of LOVE. They are not demanding groveling worship from
They want Friends and Lovers, whose devotion is devoid of the
of awe and reverance ! As the ADI / ORIGINAL GIVER AND RECEIVER OF
LOVE, They Pervade the Spiritual and Material worlds, and reveal
in the Hearts of any who will CHOOSE REAL / HOLY LOVE. What I want for
everyone is a life of this LOVE. GOD ESS IS LOVE, and They reign
domain of the 'heart', not as mundane royal despots, but as Friends
> According to the Theosophical doctrine of the seven rays (see
> Earnest Wood's book) only one ray of our seven human life-wave rays
> prepared to practice Bhakti Yoga. So, I wouldn't expect to ever
> one-seventh of the population practicing Bhakti Yoga. The other
> will be more prone to something else.
BA G /// Well then I guess that the Theosophical doctrine of the
seven rays is
wrong then, and it is certainly NOT a Pure Land Mahayana Buddhist
because, let me quote the late Venerable Master Hsuan Hua on this
BA G THE HOLY NAME, AND THE DOCTRINE OF GRACE IN CHINESE PURE LAND
BA G THE FOLLOWING QUOTATIONS ARE FROM THE
"Records of the Life of the Venerable Master Hsuan Hua",
Compiled and translated by American Bhikshuni Heng Yin.
This book was published in 1981 by the Dharma Realm
Buddhist Text Translation Society, Talmage, California, USA.
"Seek rebirth in Ultimate Bliss
with serious intent
By putting down defiled thoughts
and returning to the pure.
The Master delivered the following instruction during a seven-day
session in Kiangsi :"
" The Dharma-door of reciting the Buddha's name is also called the
Dharma-door. By means of this method all can enter the Pure Land, for
receives those of all three dispositions and gathers the intelligent
deluded. Wise people with superior wisdom, average people with
intelligence, and inferior, deluded people -- those of all three
dispositions need only recite the name and they will be reborn in the
Land. Thus it is the convenient means within the convenient means,
cut among short cuts, and is most suited to beings in the Dharma-
BA G /// NOTE THAT THE DHARMA ENDING AGE IS KALI YUGA. SO HERE WE
HAVE THE DIRECT
PARALLEL TO THE GAUDIYA VAISHNAVA DOCTRINE OF HARI NAMA INVOCATION /
RECITATION BEING THE YUGA DHARMA (AGE = YUGA).
VENERABLE MASTER HSUAN HUA ON RECITATION OF THE HOLY NAME
Page 82 continued
"If one is simply able to recite 'Namo Amitabha Buddha', one will
be reborn in the Land of Ultimate Bliss, where, transformationally
a lotus, one will see the Buddha and awaken to the patience of the
uncreated, never again to retreat to the Small Vehicle [HINAYANA] ,or
status of a common person. If what i say is not so, i will gladly
into the hells. "
" Yesterday someone asked me, 'When I recite the Buddha's name, I
much idle thinking. How can I stop it ?'
"Pay no attention to how much idle thinking you are doing. Just keep
reciting the Buddha's name with all your heart. There is a common
When the clear-water pearl
is thrown in muddy water,
the muddy water turns clear.
When the Buddha's name
enters the deluded mind,
the deluded mind becomes the Buddha.
"Recitation itself is the cure for idle thinking. Why add a head on
your head by looking for another method ?"
BA G /// The Pure Land Dharma Door is RECOMMENDED FOR ALL BEINGS IN
ENDING (Kali Yuga) AGE. This is simple INVOCATION OF THE OTHER-POWER
BA G /// Is ONLY one-seventh of the population attracted to such
simple prayer /
invocation of a compassionate Deity or Transcendent Savior ? NO !
Statistically there are about 1 1/2 billion Christians of all kinds
including a BILLION Catholics and over 3/4 BILLION Vishnu
was largely Pure Land Buddhist a hundred years ago, and if the
ever fall from power, there will be a rebirth of China's SOUL in its
devotional culture of Pure Land Buddhism. How many Chinese today are
'closet Buddhists' devoted to Holy Mother KUAN YIN ??? Pure Land
still alive and well in S.Korea and Japan. There are a BILLION
Any expert on African Tribal Religions will affirm that these are
predominantly MONOTHEISTIC AND DEVOTIONAL. So invocation / prayer
'Other Power' help of GOD or the ADI BUDDHA is cearly not a one-
attraction for the beings of the Kali Yuga.
BA G /// The Dharma Doors exist, like skillful means, to facilitate
(from the Saha World) of all beings of all dispositions. In the
Ending Age, the Dharma Door of PURE LAND PRACTICE is recommended by
authentic MAHAYANA MASTERS.
> Many of his criticisms of Theosophy are directed at what I have
> Exoteric Theosophy or Shoreline Theosophy, and I too have made the
BA G /// Yes, I have appreciated your previous comments on this
> Jerry S.
Below is the link to my series of introductory articles on Buddhism
already posted on my ONE FAITH Column on the Vaishnava saragrahi.org
In the below article I outline some of the points that I have yet to
cover in my introductory series.
Pure Land Buddhism as Vaishnavism by Bhakti Ananda Goswami
Part Ten: Review and Preview
In a nutshell, the original Buddhism is actually a form of
Radha-Krishna-centric Vaishnavism. It pre-dates the appearance of the
historically late Sakyamuni by thousands of years, and was once the
Bhakti Tradition of major portions of the human family. The
theological core of this Bhakti Buddhism has been called 'Pure Land
Buddhism' by modern scholars. This is taken from the title of one of
Tradition's most important Scriptures, the SUKHAVATI VYUHA. This
describes, originally in Buddhist Sanskrit, the PURE LAND created by
BUDDHA, ADI PURUSHA, DHARMA KAYA, CHAKRAVARTIN, BHAGAVAN, Supreme
AMITABHA. The two-armed Form of Amitabha (HRIH) is worshiped as the
Kaya or Original Body / Form of the Buddha in Northern, Mahayana or
Land Buddhism, from Nepal and Tibet (identified with CHEN REI ZEI),
Afghanistan, China, and Korea to Japan, where He is called AMIDA,
HRIH, and identified with various forms of LOKESHVARA (VISHNU FORMS).
Copyright © Tridandi Sannyasi Bhakti Ananda Goswami 2002 - All
HARE KRISHNA ! SRI SRI GURU and Gauranga ki jaya !
Dear Saragrahis, Please accept my humble obeisances.
Because I have received so many inquiries over the years
Buddhism, I began a series of short articles on this site (please
outline my understanding of Buddhism, based on my more than 3 decades
interdisciplinary study comparing Buddhism to other ancient religious
traditions in India and elsewhere. This series is thus a little
to Buddhism, voiced to Vaishnavas in particular, who generally
believe that all of Buddhism was originally atheistic.
Here is a summary of what I have wanted to eventually cover in
series. I have yet to finish my description of Nepalese-Tibetan
This will include an introduction to:
Pancaratrin-related rites and Sanskrit Vaishnava prayers and
in the Cult of Tara,
The relationship of the Egyptian Book of the Dead to the
of the Dead,
Common lila forms of Lokeshvara and Vishnu,
Mahadeva (SHIVA) as AN EXPANSION OF LOKESHVARA,
Kala or Kala Bhairab (Bhairava SHIVA) as Nara Hari Rupa,
YHVH worship as the Bhagavad-Gita and Exodus-related wrathful
the Lord as Time, JAH HUM BAM HOH at the Tibetan Buddhist 'Vatican'
The relationship of Platonic Heliopolitan Egyptian PTAH etc. to
birth traditions, and expansions and incarnations of Buddha-
Egyptian and Heliopolitan Jewish traditions,
The supposed origins of 'Buddhism' from Sakyamuni's time, in
Then I hope to move on and show:
Devotion to the Lord as THE OPENER / PTAH in the Old Testament
Tradition of PETACH-YAHU, PETU-EL, and how He was invoked to enter and
possess PERSONS, ICONS, AND TEMPLES, INCLUDING THE GREAT TEMPLE IN
AT ITS CONSECRATION AND RE-CONSECRATION,
Connections to the GOOD SHEPHERD Tradition of Rhodes and
including the amazing story of Siddhartha Buddha's promise to return
GOOD SHEPHERD WHO WOULD DIE AS A VEDIC SACRIFICE IN PLACE OF HIS
Connections between ASCLEPIUS-SERAPIS, JESUS the GREAT
ANANTA BALARAMA as CHARAKA THE AYUR VEDIC GREAT PHYSICIAN , and the
Tradition of YAKUSHI-JI the 'MEDICAL BUDDHA' Form of Lokeshvara in
(Amida) cult of Japan.
The association of Sakya Muni Buddha with VISHNU, the Deity of
Shal Grove, in the traditional story of His restoration to God-like
and power, just before his final battle with Mara.
The pivotal TULASI and RADHA Tradition in Buddhist lore, and
connections between the Shaktis of Amitabha-Lokeshvara and the
How two schools of Buddhist iconography emerged (Gandharan and
Mathuran ), both showing Greek Rhodian connections,
How the earliest Buddhist centers were all Vaishnava centers.
I already touched-on the 'Buddhism' of Ashoka, whose guru's
10,000 was IN MATHURA, and how it is widely accepted by Western
that Ashoka's missionaries were present in Judea, Greece, and Egypt.
would like to write some more on this, and how Neo-Gnostics and New-
are abusing the evidence of this to claim that Jesus Christ and other
prominent Mediterranean persons were THERAVADIN BUDDHIST ATHEISTS !
basically the indirect claim of the rabidly anti-Catholic Protestant
Seminar Group and their allies the Kersten and Gruber 'Tomb of Jesus'
Ahmadi Muslim mayavadis, and various related 'esoteric' groups. The
Theravadins have appropriated Ashoka, but there is NO evidence that
'Buddhism' was Hinayana or atheistic. ALL the real evidence (not
and writings like those of N. Notovitch and L. Jacolliot) shows that
originally Buddhism, both before and AFTER SAKYAMUNI was at first
indistinguishable from Krishna-centric Vaishnavism. The late and then
practically insignificant heretical Theravadins, who were actually
suppressed by Ashoka etc., diffused to Southeast Asia through Sri
only because they were driven out of India by the Bhakti Buddhists
patronage of Ashoka. I have already written some on the Sri Lankan
connections, but would like to post some photos of Vishnu's gate
the entrance to ancient Buddhist shrines there, as well as some
icons from the Buddhist shrine devalis showing the purely MAHAYANA /
LAND DOCTRINE OF VISHNU DESCENDING TO INCARNATE AS BUDDHA.
I would also like to describe how Vaishnava-related M. Buddhism
to China, Korea and Japan, with voidism corrupting it as an 'esoteric'
tradition, associated with nirvishesha, shunyavadi and mayavadi
impersonalism in India (the Indian pilgrim problem). Both Tantrism and
Dhyana / Zen acted as vehicles for Theravadin anatta soul-less
all the way into Japan, in the same way that magical and elitist
esoteric groups functioned to corrupt Western bhakti traditions with
impersonalism and voidism.
At least one article should be devoted to the popular Mahayana
Buddhist devotion to Sri Hanuman as the Servant of Mother Tara, and
protector of Pure Land Buddhism throughout its northern range. Sri
ji is extremely popular in Chinese Buddhism !
The worship of Krishna and Radha, Vishnu and Lakshmi, devolved
the separated Chinese worship of MA Kuan Yin, and Their attributes
merged as Mahayana Buddhism spread through Korea (as KWANNON) and
as ASAKUSA KANNON, to be merged there with Krishna Kana worship from
India. I have already written a little on this in my short article on
site describing the RASA LILA DANCE IN THE TANABATA FESTIVAL in
merged attributes of MANI PADME remain in Japanese Buddhism today.
After describing ancient Japanese Pure Land, with its Catholic
and Lakshmi-related 'Goddesses', Alvar KANAN and Tana Bata Festival
Lila, etc. connections, I want to briefly describe the popular modern
NEMBUTSU HARI NAM movements of HRIH / AMIDA and the JEWEL-LOTUS
Japan...including the present's SOKKA phenomenon.
Then I would like to relate a few of my personal experiences
Land Buddhism in Japan, and my initiation into NEMBUTSU in the inner
sanctum of the High Altar of Amida / ASAKUSA KANNON'S MAIN TEMPLE in
It would be nice if we could post both the ICON of KANNON and a
Kannon's HIGH ALTAR for everyone to receive the darshana of AMIDA /
worshiped by the Japanese Pure Land Buddhists.
Then, hopefully I will finish with a description of the pre-
strata of Mahayana Buddhism, beneath the late Sakyamuni Buddhism, in
ancient East (Bon and YAB-YUM in Tibet, Chinese Taoist YANG-YIN
[Purusha-Prakriti], the Japanese Shinto Pantheon etc.), and how these
ancient traditions were related to Vaishnavism in both India and the
Heliopolitan Federations of the Mediterranean.
By briefly outlining these important Buddhist-related bhakti
connections, I hope to establish the framework for a new
field of studies focusing on in-depth research into these specific
interest. Vaishnava scholars have too long ignored Buddhism.
scholars who have studied Pure Land Buddhism have ignored authentic
Vaishnavism to the extent that they are generally completely unaware
connections between Vaishnavism and the Pure Land Buddhist Traditions
are trying to understand. In every case, the real understanding of
Christian and Pure Land Buddhist commonalities, long a subject of
and Buddhist scholarly interest, will continue to elude everyone
begin to seriously look at the BIG PICTURE of these connections, as I
outlined them in brief here. Scholars need to factor-in both the
Heliopolitan Alexandrian-related Proto-Catholic and the Indian
Vaishnavism, to really understand the relationship of Buddhism to
Catholicism. Vaishnavism is the link.
Once I have outlined these connections, I hope other scholars
flesh out the entire framework I have introduced in this short
to Buddhism, in the context of World Emanational and Incarnational,
your aspiring servant,
Bhakti Ananda Goswami
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