Re: What is my point of view on Alice A. Bailey?
Jan 17, 2003 00:49 AM
by Phillip Lindsay " <email@example.com>
Thanks for your erudite clarifications. I hesitate to take up
the dialogue again knowing that it might seem a futile exercise for
you and everyone else on this list, but...
> ". . . A close examination will assuredly reveal. . . materials
> largely stolen . . . from Theosophical writings. . . [and]
distorted and falsified so as to be palmed off on the unwary as
Yes, I have seen this trotted out several times now, and as
mentioned earlier, this was well before AAB's time. Yet you and
others I think mistakenly connect the CWL/AB (or Steiner?) 'pseudo
theosophy lineage to Bailey. I sense that DK was testing the waters
with CWL and AB with similar material impressed upon them before he
abandoned it as a bad idea, and waited for AAB later. That may
explain the similarity and the erroneous lineage connection.
> (1) from the "inner resonance and intuition" perspective, I am
> convinced that AAB's teachings are NOT derived from the real DK or
> KH. I perceive a very unique "vibration" in HPB's and the
Mahatmas' writings but it is totally missing from AAB's writings.
Just as the pro Bailey-ites are 'convinced' of their perceptions,
and the prophets and ballards etc.
> I am open to the possibility that my "intuitive sense" is somehow
off but my intellectual study of both HPB's and AAB's writings only
> confirms my "intuition."
OK.May I ask what exactly have you studied or read in depth of AAB?
> (2) From a "comparative study" perspective, I totally agree with
> Leon's assessment which reads:
> "My 20 year comparative study of both the Secret Doctrine and the
> Treatise on White Magic have never shown any reasonable
relationship between the two teachings. In fact the contradictions
stand out in
> more places that I was ever be able to count."
Do you 'totally agree' with Leon's assessment because you and he
have a close agreement on HPB and thats good enough for you? Or have
you actually studied the books (as you say above), and made a
comparative study? If so, may I ask what have you studied?
> (3) In addition, it is clear that much of Bailey's teachings
derive from Leadbeater and Besant.
Disagree for reasons stated above.
> Notice what Jerry Hejka-Ekins wrote recently here on Theos-Talk:
> "I read it [Bailey's Initiation Human and Solar]some years ago,
and found it very faithful to the ES teachings [of Leadbeater and
Besant] as they were presented from 1910-1918."
Ditto on my theory stated above. 1919 was the year that DK contacted
AAB. He may well have given up on the others by then.
> Concerning the deviations of the Leadbeater-Besant teachings from
> HPB's original presentation, see:
> (5) I would suggest that these words of KH apply not only to Laura
C. Holloway but also to Alice A. Bailey:
> "Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes illusive Gurus and
> chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined the instant before
in the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself."
I think that is an unfair assessment to project onto Bailey, it is
just tarring her with the same brush.
If you compare the accusation of a 'vivid creative fancy..illusive
gurus' to this statement by AAB from her Autobiography (p.163):
It was in November 1919 that I made my first contact with The
Tibetan. I had sent the children off to school and thought I would
snatch a few minutes to myself and went out on to the hill close to
the house. I sat down and began thinking and then suddenly I sat
startled and attentive. I heard what I thought was a clear note of
music which sounded from the sky, through the hill and in me. Then
I heard a voice which said, "There are some books [Page 163] which
it is desired should be written for the public. You can write
them. Will you do so?" Without a moment's notice I
said, "Certainly not. I'm not a darned psychic and I don't want to
be drawn into anything like that." I was startled to hear myself
speaking out loud. The voice went on to say that wise people did
not make snap judgments, that I had a peculiar gift for the higher
telepathy and that what I was being asked to do embodied no aspect
of the lower psychism. I replied that I didn't care, that I wasn't
interested in any work of a psychic nature at all. The unseen
person who was speaking so clearly and directly to me then said that
he would give me time for consideration; that he would not take my
answer then and that he would come back in three weeks' time
exactly, to find out what I intended to do.
This work of the Tibetan has greatly intrigued people and
psychologists everywhere. They dispute as to what is the cause of
the phenomenon, and argue that what I write probably comes from my
subconscious. I have been told that Jung takes the position that
the Tibetan is my personified higher self and Alice A. Bailey is the
lower self. Some of these days (if I ever have the pleasure of
meeting him) I will ask him how my personified higher self can send
me parcels all the way from India, for that is what He has done."
There is no way that AAB could understand or have a grasp of much of
the material in these books. Cosmic Fire could not have come from
her 'vivid creative fancy [imagination]'. It is quite rigorous and
demanding. She said the same herself.
I will check it out.
>> "Thou shalt not separate thy being from BEING, and the rest, but
> merge the Ocean in the drop, the drop within the Ocean."
> "So shalt thou be in full accord with all that lives; bear love to
> men as though they were thy brother-pupils, disciples of one
> the sons of one sweet mother."
Indeed,see you in the big drop,
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