Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00285)

Thanks Morten, I will try to get back to you on these pages you reference.
I started reading them last night, but kept getting knocked off-line. Let
me spend a few days with them before attempting to respond.

regards,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World re re contrasts, Bill, BAG, "broader perspectives"?
and ...


>
> Hi Bill and all of you,
>
> Thanks Bill.
> I enjoyed your email.
>
> But, What do you really think about Gordon Davidson ?
> http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bristol.goodwill/intwork.htm (Gordon Davidson
> misson Externalization of the Hierarchy).
> http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bristol.goodwill/frontpge.htm (Gordon Davidson
> frontpage)
> http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bristol.goodwill/econom.htm (Sorcerism on United
> Nations ? Or ?)
>
> Or others forinstance Robert Muller, former high-level politically
involved
> at United Nations:
>
> http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/lucistrust.html (A must
> read..!)>:-)
> An excerpt follows:
> "Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former
minister
> of Defence in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the
> Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in
> Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among others the following organizations:
UN,
> Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF.
>
> The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for
> the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on
ancient
> occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the UN,
a
> book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust,
Alice
> Bailey, claiming that "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along
> the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be
seen
> in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United
> Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this
unfoldment,
> three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans".
> [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol.
II,
> p.35.]
>
> Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 'three occult
> factors', she did reveal to her students that "Within the United Nations
is
> the germ and seed of a great international and meditating, reflective
> group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies
> the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth
> ray disciples, if you could but realise it, and their point of meditative
> focus is the intuitional or Buddhic plane - the plane upon which all
> hierarchical activity is today to be found'. [Ibid. p.220.] "
>
> More links needed?
>
> It is no lie.
> They really think that The Middle East is a dead potato. (Alice A.
> Bailey:Esoteric Psychology, vol.1,p.166-7...)
>
> Tell me, what are your views.
> Should we give up...hmm...eehm..the spirit so to speak?
>
> from
> M. Sufilight
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Meredith" <bill_meredith@earthlink.net>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World re re contrasts, Bill, BAG, "broader
perspectives"?
> and ...
>
>
> > Thanks again Mauri. Clearly, I feel some degree of comfort in our
> > discussions. Probably because our definitions of "reasonably
> well-behaved"
> > may be similar. In my last post comparing/confusing theosophical
masters
> > and the christian god, I was, I think, probing for that boundary between
> the
> > "essence" of theosophy and those other places that our mind takes us
which
> > might be labeled "non-essence" or non-essential(?).
> >
> > As I see it developing here, a group of "believes-in-masters" people,
led
> by
> > Daniel and some others, (although they will most likely claim they are
> being
> > led by HPB and the Masters) (and maybe they are) is excited by the
> prospect
> > of proving yet another group of "believes-in-personal-god" people wrong.
> > The first volley of Words has already been launched. I wonder if Words
> > from the Theosophical Masters go as far in proving the existence of such
> > Masters as Words from God go in proving the existence of God?
> >
> > I should like to meet a master I think. (or a personal god, for that
> > matter) I would try to be reasonably well-behaved, maybe. I wonder if
I
> > would be allowed to ask questions, or speculate, or wonder?
> >
> >
> > thanks Mauri,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mauri" <mhart@idirect.ca>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:58 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World re re contrasts, Bill, BAG, "broader perspectives"?
> and
> > ...
> >
> >
> > > Bill wrote: <<I began to think that perhaps I might be
> > > perceived on this list as advocating for the existence of a
> > > personal god as described by exoteric christianity.
> > > Nothing could be further from my mind. Such a being is
> > > said to favor one group over another even dismissing some
> > > to the outer darkness forever. Such a being is said to
> > > participate in dialogue with some individuals about the
> > > worthiness and lack thereof of others. Such a being
> > > is said to use miracles as demonstrations of both existence
> > > and power. Such a being is said to act from a human-like
> > > mindset with human-like emotions including love and
> > > anger. Such a being is said to reward loyalty and
> > > obedience and play favorites and do good things for those
> > > individuals in whom favor is found, while the others may
> > > generally be referred to as "idiots"......no....er.....uh....I've
> > > confused the personal christian god with the theosophical
> > > masters. Yikes!!! I guess I'll be going now. :)>>
> > >
> > > Seems like a relevant comparison, (in a way?), by which
> > > one might bring up a relevant issue? The following
> > > might've occurred to you (?): Seems as if such as
> > > "Theosophic masters" might be kind of limited to ways
> > > and means of communicating that us non-masters (or
> > > "average people") might find
> > > "understandable/sensible/relevant-enough"? True, those
> > > attempts to communicate on the part of those Theosophic
> > > masters (and even on the part of Theosophic speculators,
> > > like me, I'm guessing?) could often be misinterpreted in a
> > > variety of ways, but ... And, similarly, it would seem to me
> > > that students and leaders of various religions, sophies, and
> > > whatever might often be misinterpreted in a variety of
> > > ways. So when we're sort of "faced with each others' and
> > > our own karma," maybe we can at least try to be
> > > reasonably well bahaved toward each other and ourselves,
> > > while telling each other about our opinions, beliefs,
> > > feelings ... Then again, of course my idea of "reasonably
> > > well behaved" might not be your idea of "reasonably well
> > > behaved," so ... hmm ...
> > >
> > > Speculatively,
> > > Mauri
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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