Re: Theos-World Re: Phillip Lindsay: "who decides or has decided what teaching does not . . . ."
Jan 13, 2003 11:39 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Hi P. Lindsay and all of you,
What do you think about the fact, that some Bailey groups today are heavily
involved with the international political body - The United Nations ?
(Just search the Internet if you are in doubt. What about Gordon Davidson -
and Rober Muller ?).
Do you P. Lindsay and others support the below view of Alice A. Baileys ???:
Esoteric Psychology I; p. 167:
"...note chat this movement was started by a secret society which has 
existed in the world since the last period of seventh ray dominance in
Every great religion which arises is under the influence of one or other of
the rays, but it does not necessarily follow that each successive ray should
have a great far-reaching religion as its outcome. We have heard that
Brahmanism is the last great religion which arose under first ray influence;
we do not know what may have been the religion which was the outcome of the
last second ray period; but the Chaldean, the Egyptian and the Zoroastrian
religions may be taken as representing the third, the fourth, and the fifth
rays respectively. Christianity and probably Buddhism were the result of
sixth ray influence. Mohammedanism, which numbers so large a following, is
also under sixth ray influence, but it is not a great root religion, being a
hybrid offshoot of Christianity with the tinge of Judaism."
My humble view is:
This is a critical statement today january 2003.
I just can't support such a view - while knowing, that a number of
pro-Baileys are involved with the United Nations ! To support this view will
certainly have moral and even racial implications.
I do hope I have made my position clear.
What is your view P. Lindsay, do you support the above?
What is the readers views?
I can only support D. Caldwells view when quoting Blavatsky on
And that Baileys books used alone or without any REAL emphasis on Blavatskys
scriptures- can very easily be both dangerous and misleading spiritually
seen. I said CAN.
Especially a number of Bailey groups - today - supports the idea to avoid
dealing with Blavatskys scriptures and putting emphasis on them. Their line
of PR shows their fruits during the present political crisis. And their
teaching - TODAY - are certainly becoming dangerous and misleading.
Theosophy without any real and clearly outspoken respect for true Sufism is
empty spirituality - empty gupta-vidya - and even culturally biased
Raja-Yoga in our present informations society year 2003.
The political tensions between the west and the Middle East - and the TV and
other medias with their clearly - biased - propaganda are creating problems,
when one also supports Baileys books as a stand alone teaching - (or what to
some are their new pet Bible-collection. Even Mary Bailey rejected that view
in her book "A Learing Experience". May her friends at least follow that
These are wellmeant remarks. >:-)
Feel free to comment or do your best...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Phillip Lindsay: "who decides or has decided what
teaching does not . . . ."
> > Notice HPB's words:
> > ". . . the FALSE ideas of a personal God and a personal,
> > Saviour. . . . "
> Written well before AAB's time and possibly referring to Steiner.
> > He says that people will not accept the whole
> > truth; that unless we humour them with a hope that there may be
> > a 'loving Father and creator of all in heaven' our philosophy will
> be rejected a priori.
> > Looks to me like HPB and KH decided.....
> Seems to me many theosophists have decided that AAB comes into this
> category, then rationalise after the fact with the Masters' quotes.
> DK through AAB talks equally about eastern and western traditions.
> > A question for Phillip Lindsay:
> > Do you believe that there really are:
> > "charlatanesque imitations of Occultism and Theosophy. . . ."?
> Loads of them! Clare Prophet and Summit Lighthouse,I Am Movement,
> and much other 'channelled' material. All make a travesty of the
> Masters and distort. Funny I have seen the likes of Faivre et al
> lump AAB in with them! Talk about ignorant prejudice!
> > Do you agree with HPB when she warns her Esoteric students:
> > "Nothing is more dangerous to Esoteric Truth than the garbled and
> > distorted versions disfigured to suit the prejudices and tastes of
> > men in general."
> Wholeheartedly! we are probably all guilty of it in varying degrees.
> > Daniel H. Caldwell
> > BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
> > http://hpb.cc
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