Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00224)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Meredith" > 
> Perhaps you can help me to explain how theosophy can identify with 
Master's
> of Wisdom at succeeding levels of mastery, each level deferring to 
those
> higher, i.e., the chiefs have their chiefs who have their chiefs, 
and still
> not acknowledge an Alpha and Omega?

In all due respect my friend, I don't think anyone here has the 
ability to answer your question.... at least in a way that can be 
universally accepted. 

But here is a thought to ponder.... and, I truly believe in my heart 
that HPB and AAB, both, would approve of this thought.... that at the 
very core of every human being is pure unadulterated Consciousness, a 
homogenuous and totally integrated white Light of magnificent beauty 
and all-knowledge. And, why? you ask can we not experience or 
express this magnificent all-knowing beautiful Light. Quite simply, 
it is the mental, emotional/astral and physical (ie brain) vehicles 
that are unable to measure up to the task. Tho, some, with great 
momentum (desire), from past lives have been able to incur a perfect 
alignment (or, momentary "unfoldment") of all the vehicles or for a 
second or two.... enough for the "I" to collapse or be lost sight of 
in the beauty of the Light from within... 

Thousands of people have had this experience and lived to tell about 
it.... why is it so hard to comprehend this? HumM? Why is it so 
hard to understand that unless you have a pure unadulterated mental, 
astral and physical body that the experience of of pure unadulterated 
Consciousness just ain't <wink> gonna happen, because, simply, it has 
no vehicles through which it can express Itself here. 

Most sincerely,
Suzanne 

> Many men throughout history and in the present day have testified 
to an
> experience of the Godhead that transcends the intellect. Always, 
such
> testimony fails to transmit the essence of the experience, but the 
failure
> seems one of communication rather than essential substance. While 
no one
> here can be expected to defend exoteric christianity and its 
various
> components, one might reasonably ask about the "essence" of 
christianity in
> the same sense that one asks about the "essence" of theosophy. Is 
an
> experience of the "essence" an individual experience that changes 
one's
> consciousness of being? Is it strictly an intellectual 
accomplishment, or
> does the soul make a joyful noise? Is the "essence" a strictly 
theosophical
> experience or can other men from diverse histories with differenct
> terminologys experience it too?
> 
> We might try to avoid requiring that theosophy's exoteric language 
be used
> to represent the essence of the theosophical experience anymore 
than the
> exoteric terminology of any other system represents the essence of 
that
> system. What we might hope to do is compare and contrast the 
essence of
> these various systems as best we can, seeking for a mutual 
understanding
> among men of good will.
> 
> regards,
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mauri" <mhart@i...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: Theos-World re Theosophy, RC, Bhakti yoga, Bill, BAG, 
and ...
> 
> 
> >
> > Bill, I thought you made some relevant points in your post.
> >
> > You wrote:<<One might wonder at Mauri's motives in
> > attempting to dismiss BA G's point of view as some sort of
> > RC in thin disguise.>>
> >
> > Actually, believe it or not, I was attempting to speculate
> > and attempting to question, primarily, rather than
> > attempting to decisively dismiss anything as an "RC in thin
> > disguise." Sorry about giving the "thin disguise"
> > impression. Apparently it's difficult for me to express my
> > curiosty about the motives of those who seem to come
> > across as if they might be not just making helpful contrasts
> > between Theosophy and ... whatever, but seem, to me, as
> > if they might be trying to undermine the essence of
> > Theosophy ... Sorry about that, I guess it's just that my
> > instincts to protect Theosophic interests (as I tend to see
> > them, at any rate) seems to surface at times, in spite of my
> > efforts to maintain my cool, speculative exterior. Sorry.
> > That is, of course contrasts are contrasts, so ... one might
> > learn from contrasts ...
> >
> > <<Any such wonderings at motives might give rise to a
> > speculation that while one theosophist might find HPB's
> > theosophy comfortable largely because it is NOT Roman
> > Catholicism (the enemy of my enemy is my friend),
> > another theosophist might seek to compare, contrast, and
> > learn from the synthesis which is a central tenet of
> > theosophy. One may certainly ask where the "divine" in
> > the Divine Wisdom resides without being considered an
> > interloper.>>
> >
> > Yes, our speculations and questions have a way of often
> > giving rise to all kinds of things in the minds of those who
> > are predisposed to give rise to ... whatever. Sorry if I gave
> > anybody rise to confusions, problems. Yes, certain kinds
> > of contrasts might tend to elicit interesting perspectives, or
> > whatever, in some cases. For example, if one studies the
> > contrasts between Dallas's and Gerald's post ... But then,
> > such contrasts might confuse some people even more, so
> > ... what can I say ^:-)
> >
> > <<In my opinion, "caring for HPB" has little to do with a
> > sincere search for the truth.>>
> >
> > I'm supposing that might be from:
> >
> > << BAG, I think most of us here know that the RC and
> > > Bhakti yoga practitioners and various people and groups
> > > did not, during HPB's time, and still don't, (apparently
> > > enough?), care for HPB or Theosophy.
> >
> > Yes, I tend to agree that whether one cares for HPB and
> > Theosophy is a side issue in the sense that we all tend to
> > gravitate toward whatever we see as most
> > applicable/relevant to our self, and so, (obviously
> > enough?), if one finds much sense in, say, Catholicism,
> > than such a person would not likely (or am I going on a
> > limb, again?) find HPB and Theosophy particularly
> > relevant and applicable for them, in general ... I'm
> > speculating.
> >
> > Speculatively,
> > Mauri
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >