Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00123)

Recently, Leon wrote, in part: <<no matter how, and from what 
point of view the absolute or conditioned space is 
examined -- the fundamental scientific laws of 
mathematical geometry and "electricity," that govern their 
interaction, and cyclic transformation from one to the 
other, is paramount. Thus, both unified and dualistic 
thinking is required, separately as well as conjunctively. 
This will allow one to understand that one "reality" gives 
birth to the other in an endless cycle of existence's, either 
as a conditioned duality within a trinity, or an 
unconditioned unity -- which, together, remain forever an 
inseparable quadratic reality within the heart of the 
Boundless ALL. (ref: "The 3 the 1, the 4 the 1 the 5, the 
twice 7 the sum total" -- a multidimensional "scientific" 
[geometric/mathematical] formula for Cosmogenesis -- 
which Buddha never revealed). >>

Those kinds of word choices seem to represent, as I see it, 
(and might represent for some people?), the kind of 
thinking that seems to suggest, or might (?) suggest to the 
average reader that <<both unified and dualistic thinking 
is required, separately as well as conjunctively>> AS IF 
"something unified" (ie, as if INSTEAD of the 
"nondual/ineffable" of the esoteric tradition) could be, or 
might be, in some cases, brought to the level of human 
"thinking" (ie, human "thinking" as opposed to 
progressive experiential/ineffable esoteric stages as per 
atma-buddhi, enlightnement, nondual Beness) as if that 
human/manasic "thinking re unified" (of something, 
whatever) could somehow represent p/Path-related 
significance (not that it couldn't, as a blind, possibly, 
alternatively?) leading toward something that, (as if as per 
the "esoteric tradition"?) at the same time somehow 
transcends human "thinking" (ie, as if human thinking, 
instead of esoteric experiencing, can somehow be 
instrumental in transcending human thinking???), though 
being ineffable, at the same time, to human thinking (as 
per the esoteric tradition!?), and as if human thinking 
(instead of esoteric experiencing, whether defined as 
"human" or not) could somehow be directly instrumental 
(and as if not just as a blind?!) in getting one all along the 
Path toward HPB's "Beness," ("Path" as per the 
intermediate stages of atma-buddhi, enlightenment, 
nirvana), which is a Path that I, for one, tend to see as at 
least far less dualistic (ie, not "thinking" related" or 
essentially dualistic as per our "ordinary reality") and far 
more experiential/esoteric than anything imaginable by 
human, essentially dualistic, thought---not that, at the 
same time, such word choices as yours, Leon, might not be 
"particularly helpful" to some people, nevertheless, as 
blinds, in some ways, maybe, but/"but" ... 

So the word choices: <<both unified and dualistic 
thinking is required, separately as well as conjunctively>> 
and the other word choices in that post tend to suggest to 
me some scenarios, purposes, frames of mind (that might 
be possible/relevant?) such as:

1. that the author of those words wishes to offer "useful 
blinds," like HPB, hoping to convey "something 
understandable and helpful" to the general public "in the 
language of this age," say ...

2. same as above, but that the author tends to be 
karmically immersed in exoterics, appearances, maya to 
the extent that the "Abyss" between duality (or "ordinary 
reality" as per our mainstream worldview) and 
nondualistic reality (as per the "esoteric tradition") is not 
very well acknowledged or represented by the author's 
choice of words ...

3. variations on a theme, as per whatever 
experiential/esoteric, "mystical," or sensed, intuited and 
"reasoned/exoteric" intermediating, "helpful," "p/Path 
related" data ...

Aside from what you, Leon, (and others?), might see 
themselves as "knowing, representing, implying," etc, I 
tend to see certain kinds of word choices, such as <<both 
unified and dualistic thinking is required, separately as 
well as conjunctively>> as suggestive of ... but there 
doesn't seem to be much point in repeating myself ... 
IMHSO, all human thoughts are, when seen as karmic 
variables (without the trimmings, as it were), and when 
seen "aside" ("in a sense"!) from their various helpful/real 
aspects within "ordinary reality," blind alleys for those 
who might have a "more serious" interest in 
enlightenment, (ie, "even though" various exoterics such 
as ABC's might have their very real usefulness in some 
ways, for some people, "in the language of this age," etc) 
...

Speculatively,
Mauri

PS Being a fairly new student of Theosophy, (in a sense 
...), and relying on my HSO's (whatever they might ...) by 
way of ... whatever intuitive sources, apparently, maybe I 
should remind the reader, again, that I'm just speculating 
humbly, ("basically," as I tend to see it ...), and apparently, 
as I tend to see it, tend to prefer to keep on humbly 
speculating in the "apparent present circumstances" for as 
long as those circumstances seem to keep on appearing 
that way, for whatever reason ... although, obviously 
enough ... or apparently enough ...

But, no (!), HSO is not my way of implying that I might be 
the reincarnation of H.S. Olcott, believe it or not. Hee hee 
hee.

PPS If you're reading this, H.S. Olcott, from wherever, no 
offense, eh, I hope!? Come to thnk of it, I do mean, I 
think, to finish reading your Diary Leaves, at some point. 
Interesting stuff. And maybe we'll get Leon to invent 
some kind communicating device so we might get some 
input from you, as well as from ... some day ... maybe ... 
Eh, Leon ... ? Wouldn't those kinds of devices be 
inventable with human thinking ... ?