Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00692)

Dear Steve, I hardly understand what you are trying to convey. For one, what
all this has to do with Madame Blavatsky and the allegations that Nazis used
her writings?
I think you are mixing the Hebrews with the Hiksos. I am not an historian,
but to my best knowledge, there is no Egyptian record concerning exodus.
There is some mention about Hebrews, or Semitic people, taken as prisoners.
First time I heard the name of Manetho, thank you. I searched the internet,
and here mentioned that all his records were lost, and he actually wrote his
reocords in the third century B.C., 1700 years after the Hebrew episode. I
think the only record which remained from that era, was that of Josephus
Flavius. See his site below. I don't see where Blavatsky saw any race as
superior, the races were, or are, means for clothing the spirit, and they
are advancing, in order to form the best vehicle of the spirit's
capabilities
of expression. Best wishes, Etzion

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-2.htm



----- Original Message -----
From: <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB and the Nazi doctrines


> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> > Do you have any reliable cites for that? (P.S. The American Nazi
> > Party's website is NOT a reliable cite).
>
> Whatn about the Farrakhan site? There ar e two versions of the
> story, one of which was written by a Hebrew writer and one of which
> comes to us from the Eguptians. If you compare them point by point
> you see that they agree on the facts of what happened, but each spins
> it according to his unique perspective. This is as one would expect,
> ethinks. Anyway, the fact that each confirms the other independently
> suggests to an amateur historian that the incidents swaceibws
> probably happened in hstory.
>
> The Hebrew writer had a very sharp sardonic sense of humor which most
> modern readers completely miss. One example of this was the so-
> called "plaguue of lice" which misfortune overtook the Egyptians
> because they had the Hebrews in their country. The Egyptians during
> that time frame had an obsession with cleanliness tat wouldhave made
> Howard Hughes blush. They were constantly washing, shaving, etc.
> The Hebrews during that sime time period considered all this washing
> rather effeminate and wore dirt as a badge of honor. Bear in mind
> this was more than 3000 years ago. Anyway, if you kniow the
> historical context, it is obvious when the Henrew writer has Moses
> say in effect: "Let us outta here or you will be infested with lice!"
> he was not stating an historical fact but having some fun with the
> culture clash which contributed to the expulsion of the Hebrews in
> the first place.
>
> Anyway, the Egyptians claim they wanted the Hebrews out and that the
> Hebrews, who faced starvation if separated from Egypt's fleshpots,
> were naturally not keen on going. Both the Hebrew and Egyptuan
> accounts agree that one cause of the clash was the Egyptian king's
> anxiety that there were so many Hebrews in his country they could
> take over the place. There were other foreign groups as well, and
> other exodus leaders. I think it was Diodorus who said a fellow
> named Danaus led the Greeks out of Egypt at the same time Moses was
> leading the Hebrews out. That these other groups existed is briefly
> referred to by the Hebrew writer. Since we see that kind of
> xenophonia today, it seems entirely reasonable to me that it must
> have existed in ancient times as well. I see another example of the
> Hebrew writer's wit in his insistence that the Egyptiuans just could
> not stand to see their guests go and did everything possible to keep
> them around. Yhat despite the fact that they were worried about
> being overrun, complaining about lice, etc.
>
> I also see an instance of the Hebrew writer;s sense of humor when he
> says the Egyptians asked the Hebrews to please rape and pillage the
> place and that the Hebrews were merely obliging an Egyptian request.
> It is rather unlikely that it happened that way in history, but the
> Egyptian writer confirms that the Hebrew guy was telling the truth
> when he says his ancestors were "heavy laden with the spoils of the
> Egyptians." The Egyptian writer is more detailed on what happened,
> but they both agree that granaries were ruined, etc.
>
> We only have quotations from the Egyptian account by Manetho, who was
> the most important no-Hebrew writer on this incident. Josephus
> discusses his account at length in his book AGAINST APION.
> Naturally, Josephus favored his own version of the natuonal legend,
> but a careful comparison of the two shows Manetho's account has
> considerable credibility.
>
> Two points that may be mentioned: (1) Manetho says the Hebrews
> rampaged across Egypt during the reign of Amenhotep IV, (2) the
> rampage is mentioned in the Tell-el-amarna letters, which were
> excavated a century or so ago. Those letters were written during the
> reign of Amenhotep IV, and the marauders were referred to as
> the "Habiru", a name which evolved into the later Hebrew. The
> letters were published in book form and can be found in some large
> university libraries. So there is confirmation that this inciudent
> occurred in documents written during the period in which the rampage
> occurred. I find that very persuasive, especially in light of other
> testimonies from later historians. Anyway, nomadic peoples then and
> now felt no personal vested interest in the status quo of city
> dwellers and they did tend to loot when they could. We seethe same
> behavior on the part of ancient armies, which paid soldiers by
> letting them loot defeated cities.
>
> I am aware that Budge and others place the exodus a few years after
> Amenhotep's death, during the reign of Ramses. Manetho claims
> Amenhotep died before the battle at the Red Sea, though, and that
> that altercation was led by another king.
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