Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00372)

Wow. I guess I got what I asked for. I've been waiting for someone to 
declare he was the "New Messenger" HPB said would appear. Is it another 
coincidence (or fortuitous karma:-) that I sent out my post about Einstein 
and the new "psi/religion" before I read this? But, at least, we now have 
something interesting to talk about other than politics and history of the 
movement. Should be loads of fun. More comments below.

In a message dated 12/11/02 2:26:37 PM, wry1111@earthlink.net writes:

>Hi.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:23 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Salting Gurdjieff
>
>
>"> Huh? You talk to much."
>
>Wry: I have been leaving a lot of messages recently, but usually I do not.

So, why now?

>LHM: "Attack is always a good defense."
>
>Wry: Defense for what? Anyway, I like Terrie. She is precious and knowing
>her is a precious opportunity.

(And you are even more precious for saying it. ;-) In defense for what 
Terrie justifiably commented about your gratuitous message to her, I assume. 

>>LHM: " Why don't you practice what you preach?"
>
>Wry: What do I preach? Not to waste precious time and a precious
>opportunity?

For what? Sounds more like you might be thinking you are the new messiah 
that is going to correct us all, and lead us into a new cause. As HPB said 
(as well as the Mayan Calendar) time is really running out, and getting kind 
of "precious." So, why don't we get down to cooked beans and hear what you 
have to say that will prevent the next coming "million year setback in human 
evolution" -- if, as theosophists, we don't do what we gotta do to prevent 
it? (BTW, I hope that that's what you are talking about.) I've been trying 
to get these dodo's to think about that for the past 5 years or so. ;-)
>
>LHM: "I heard you say you were "not a theosophist."
>
>Wry: Maybe I am starting to be one.

Well, that's somewhat enlightening, and gratifying... Especially to some of 
the people on this list who I'm sure know they have been theosophists since 
long before Plotinus invented the word. :-)
>
>>"So, why are you here?"
>
>Many reasons, most of which are between me and my "God."

We're happy to know you are keeping the "secrets" of your God confidential. 
Be interested, however, to know which "God" it is that is you are speaking 
for?
>
> " Is it just to tell us how wise you are?"
>
>Wry: What do you think?

That remains to be seen. I've already read most of your posts to the various 
forums you have recently entered, and the Jury is still out. 
>
>
>>LHM: "I can't wait to hear. :-)"
>
>Wry: When I am having a reaction, time seems different, and everything gets
>distorted. Maybe it is the same with you. My messages are not as prolific
>and as lengthy as you may be perceiving, and maybe they are balancing some
>of the trivial small talk on here.

Speak for yourself, Alfy. I don't "react" -- unless there is instant danger. 
My comment was in response to all your e-list posts. It isn't the length of 
your messages I was referring to, but their content, the manner they are 
presented, and the intent behind them. I'll leave you to figure out what I 
mean -- which requires some introspection -- or practicing what you preach. 

The trivial small talk in here has been going on since its inception many 
years ago, and some of us don't mind -- since it helps tone down the pompous 
asses and know it alls that sometimes show up. (Present company excepted, of 
course. ;-)
>
> I know my message to Terrie may have seemed a little harsh to you, but
>my sense of Terri is that she is able to take care of herself, and if not, I
>wish that for her. Behind every beautiful day that everyone is supposed
>to be having are dynamics such as this. Look at the way it has gone on this
>list ever since I have been here, but not, you must honestly acknowledge,
>because I am on here, as this has been going on long before anyone ever
>heard of me.

I didn't respond because of what you might have done to Terrie, since I'm 
sure she could defend herself, but to the way you say it, and the 
presumptions you make in all your posts. It's also interesting that you 
assume the credit for the way this is going based on your unfounded 
assumption that you know how it has gone long before. Well, you don't know 
-- since what you stumbled into was just a small blip in a long and sometimes 
very productive association that may have taught us something new about 
theosophy we didn't know before. So, that's what was meant by "talking too 
much"... Meaning, keeping one's mouth shut with pompous pronouncements and 
personal judgments before one has thoroughly studied the archives, and knows 
who everyone is and what they are talking about. Your attempts to dominate 
this list (and some others I know you are on) seems to me to be a lot of 
hubristic whistling in the wind. 
>
>If you are a true theosophist, whatever that means, maybe you can tell me
>more about this. You should," in my opinion" (Hi Bill), be thanking me for
>the work I am doing on this list, not that I want or need to be thanked, but
>this would be the appropriate behavior on your part. Different people have
>different perceptions of physical reality. For instance, I believe that myou
>have left me this message because you want me to talk more out here rather
>than less, and that you want to communicate with me. I have been meaning
>to get back to you about "point zero," which I find very interesting and have
>pondered about and am still pondering. I was going to leave Bill a message
>about angels, but now this will have to be delayed.

What kind of work do you think you are doing on this list that requires my 
gratitude? So, far all I have seen is gratuitous criticism and correction of 
individuals -- which could just as well be done, if justifiable at all, in 
private conversation. (This is not to mention the "bombs" you have dropped 
into a consciousness study online forum -- that I am still following some of 
the personal arguments they have generated -- and am reserving my comments 
on, if any.) 

I appreciate your interest in my "point zero" as you call it. However, it is 
not mine but belongs to everyone. In any event, I certainly would be 
interested in hearing what you have to say about the theory of ABC... Since, 
it is the result of a collaborative 30 year reverse engineering study of the 
origin and construction of the Cosmos from a modern scientific/technological 
point of view, that turned out to be in close conformance with theosophical 
Cosmogenesis as presented by HPB. 

Therefore, I am neither an Idealist, Buddhist, or a Materialist (as I assume 
you are the latter two from your writings) but see their tri-unity (or 
trinity) in intimate phenomenal relationship, both relative and absolute, as 
well as in conjunction with reference to universal religious principles 
represented by certain aspects of "Buddhism" as well as other true "Wisdom 
teachings."
>
>If Terrie is reading this: Hi Terrie. If you did get anything out of my
>message, please let me know. This is the single best message I have left
>the whole time I have been on this list. You have helped me to verbalize
>something very important about discrimination.
>
>Some people on here already know this, but I am a list specialist (in my
>own imagination, at least). My special subject of study is bulletin boards,
>of which an email list such as this is a prime example. I am possibly the 
only
>person on earth who has deliberately studied this medium of communication,
>to the extent I have, and my guess is that no one have ever studied it at
>all. This makes me a person of great power, whether anyone likes it or not.
>(but fear not. I am a Buddhist aspiring to enter the mahayana path, and I
>have taken vows.). I am not using this list for a study, as my studies have
>gone on for many years and have been completed before I came here. The
>reason I am saying this is to point out that very unusual, even incredible
>opportunities can exist on a list like this, of which most people are
>unaware, to do extraordinary good for multitudes of people, without really
>hurting anyone, except possibly a few peoples' feelings. In this respect, it
>is very important to receive the messages on this list by individual e-mail
>and not by digest or on the list page, as in this way, it is more of a
>true bulletin board.

What has your self professed expertise in bulletin boards have to do with 
this list and the decisions people make to receive it's mail the way they 
choose? As for being such an expert, I doubt if you have been on the BBS as 
long as I have, or even my daughter who is one of the founders of the Fido 
net. Note that my ABC theory was published and distributed over the BBS 
almost ten years ago through Baphonet and other linkage, and I was one of the 
pioneers in Internet communication on the scientific level, as well as a 
pioneer in high end computer graphics animation development long before the 
PC came on the scene. (But, I don't use that information to qualify my 
expertise in anything theosophical. :-) 

>I may not be a theosophist, whatever that is to you, but I am here as a
>representative of Madame Blavatsky, as she and I are from the honey-makers,
>and this is a fact of physical reality, whether you like it or not. I am in
>the process of choosing which lists to devote my time to, and I am not sure,
>as you suggest, that this is the appropriate place for me. I will decide in
>the weeks to come, and of course it is ultimately up to Eldon. What I will
>be doing is leaving some more general messages that are less likely to get
>people riled up, and maybe I will also share some of the extraordinary data
>I have gathered about using bulletin boards as a learning tool, which some
>of you may find most exciting and interesting. Thanks again to Terri.
>Sincerely, Wry

Well, now we have it. Are you really channeling HPB? That's interesting. 
Now, let's start hearing what's new she has to say that will add to our 
theosophical knowledge and wisdom. What theosophy is to me is exactly how HPB 
defined it. 

Afraid, I don't know what your "honey makers" refers to. Unless you think you 
are the "new messenger" who is going to fertilize us theosophical flowers 
with a new wisdom, and put us all on the right track? Well, I'm sure 
everyone here is waiting to hear about it with bated breath. ;-)

As for your suggestion to make this into a bulletin board, I don't see as how 
this forum is very far from one now. Anyone can go into the archives and 
read whatever comments and teachings have been posted on any subject. The 
only thing an actual bulletin board might do, if it were possible to turn the 
present groups system at Yahoo into one, would be to give certain aggressive 
people an opportunity to dominate it as "moderator" or self professed Guru. 
I don't think Eldon should be influenced to do that, since his way works fine 
for him, and one of the reason's some of us are in this forum, is it's 
relative openness. My suggestion is, if that's your goal, to form your own 
mail list group linked to an online publication that contains your new 
teaching, and set it up exactly as you want to run it. Remember that HPB 
published her own magazine. On another note, there are many theosophical 
study groups that, if you really spoke for HPB, and could add to her original 
teachings, you could make worthwhile contributions to. 

LHM