Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00248)

Dec 6, 2002

Dear Friends:

I have been reading the postings about Maya, duality, esotericism,
etc. May I draw attention to a matter that ought to resolve there
when carefully and deeply thought about:

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In The SECRET DOCTRINE Vol. I, p. 26. facing the STANZAS from the
BOOK OF WISDOM (Dzyan - Gnyan), we can read a translation of the
"Nasadiya Hymn" [Rig Veda X, v. 129]

the translation is interrupted after the 12th line. What is left out?
Why is it left out ?

Apparently this portion, a verse, is printed in SECRET DOCTRINE II p.
176.

"Desire first arose in IT, that was the primal germ of mind; and which
sages, searching with their intellect, have discovered to be the bond
which connects Entity with Non-Entity."

Another translation is found in H P B's THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY on p.
171. It seems to amplify some parts of this. [ This relates to
DIVINE EROS -- KAMADEVA --the inherent pure desire.]

One finds there: "The earlier Vedic description of Kama alone gives
the key-note to what he emblematizes.

Kama is the first conscious, all embracing desire for universal good,
love, and for all that lives and feels, needs help and kindness, the
first feeling of infinite tender compassion and mercy that arose in
the consciousness of the creative ONE Force, as soon as it came into
life and being as a ray from the ABSOLUTE.

Says the Rig Veda:

"Desire first arose in IT, which was the primal germ of mind, and
which Sages searching with their intellect, have discovered in their
heart to be the bond which connects Entity with non-Entity," [ and
here, H P B explains further: ] or MANAS [the Higher Manas] with pure
ATMA-BUDDHI....Kama is pre-eminently the divine desire of creating
happiness and love; and it is only ages later, as mankind began to
materialize by anthropomorphization its grandest ideals into cut and
dried dogmas, that Kama became the power that gratifies desire on the
animal plane." [Note the word "animal plane -- ours now. ]

When Siva is said to have reduced Kama to ashes by inspiring Mahadeva
with thoughts of his wife while he was at his devotions--is very
suggestive, as it is said that he thereby reduced Kama to his primeval
SPIRITUAL FORM."

Now let us ask questions.

What is IT ? The ?

How can "desire' arise in IT ?

Where could that DESIRE have originated ? A previous Manvantara?
Residual Skandhas ? Unpaid and unsettled debts due by Monads to other
Monads ?

What could the "primal germ of Mind" be ? Which Mind is being spoken
of ? divine Mind? Personal selfish Lower Mind ? Both ?

What is a "SAGE ?" What qualities or faculties are present in a sage,
as compared, say, to us ?

The tools used by those Sages are call "the intellect." What is the
"intellect ?" Is it Higher Manas, or Lower Manas, or an interrogative
interlude between the two ?

The 2nd version says suggestively that those sages discovered in their
own "hearts" the fact that it was the "bond that connects Entity with
non-Entity."

In order to perceive a "bond" the Sages are apparently able to
separate themselves and their outlook from the "bond." Also from
"Entity" and from "non-Entity."

What is this "bond ?" It would seem that in metaphysics, there are
no things like "maya." But there is a quality that is pristine and
primordial, one which cuts through the confusion of the divagations of
the Lower Manas, involved in the speculations and the uncertainties of
its only point of reference -- to be found in its MEMORIES of
experience -- in the past of what it now sees as the "here and now."

We are never able to speak IN THE PRESENT, because when we have said,
or thought anything, it immediately becomes the PAST.

We live therefore eternally on the cutting edge of creation, of
choice, of making our advance using the divine creative power we alone
represent and simultaneously possess -- as free willed Entities
possess.

Where does this freedom and this power originate? They are internal,
they are the power of ATMA-BUDDHI, the Higher Self. They are not "out
there," they are :	INSIDE US.

On p. 167, vol II of The SECRET DOCTRINE H P B indicates that our
constitution is dual as our inner "god" (the HIGHER SELF, the ATMA )
sacrifices its condition and position, to enlighten the progress of
the evolving Monads towards a full knowledge of and control of the
creative power of the MIND. This is furthermore illustrated for us to
consider in SECRET DOCTRINE Vol. I pp. 207-210 in the grand figure
of the personage who directs and supervises evolution on our earth in
all its vast variety: 'GREAT SACRIFICE." He is nameless, yet
without Him the whole of our progress and the Earth would be
non-existent. Is this finally a "personal god ?" Theosophy and
divine philosophy say NO. Further it is said that every one of us and
every other living Monad in the Universe has in potential this
identical power.

These are a few ideas to look over and think about.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gopi C
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:02 PM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Re: New Topic


That is wonderful Utopia!
I wonder if there is something more than that as Dallas was saying.

Gopi