Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00743)

Paul,

Thanks for your latest. What you say about me is nothing new but I 
find your comments about Brigitte Muehlegger/Brian Muehlbach 
fascinating.

I like your observation that:

". . . it's apparent to everyone else that they [Brian/Brigitte] 
manage the same website, ergo..."

It would appear that you agree with Bill Meredith's observation.

[NOTE: I bet B/B won't comment on the "ergo" part!]

Paul, when you write about "an insane anti-Theosophist" are you 
referring to Brigitte/Brian or to someone else?? :)

Concerning your comment:

". . . I will point myself out as exhibit #1, someone who has wasted 
endless hours and energy ensnarled in the games of both Daniel and 
Brigitte, taking them both as sincere when both are only interested 
in playing games with me and each other. I'm only half sincere in 
suggesting they may be the same person, but at some level they are 
manifestations of the same thing."

". . . manifestations of the SAME THING"???? Hmmmmm.

I will simply point out that I do not personally insult people and 
call them names. 

For contrast, consider the following comments by Brigitte/Brian.

See B/B's latest comments about Wry:

"Wry you are obviously a fake . . . ." 

Or Brigitte/Brian's negative comment a week or two ago about the 
majority of subscribers to this forum! B/B wrote to Wes:

". . . theos talk . . . [is] evidently a true meeting ground for 
crazed out crack pots who believe in 'free energy solar engines' and 
so on. Exceptions are Steve Stubbs and a very, very, few others."

Paul, please remember what B/B called Dr. Brendan French on this 
forum a year ago:

". . . in my experience Brendan French is a compulsive lyer and a 
cheat. Brigitte" 
Quoted from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3642

Apparently this response by B/B was to Dr. French's observation that 
B/B had published parts of his dissertation on B/B's website without 
his permission, etc. See:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3348
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3429
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3475
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3526
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3664

And Paul don't foreget the accusation B/B made against Dr. Gregory 
Tillett.

One could cite more of B/B's insulting comments about many other 
subscribers on Theos-L, Theos-Talk and Universal Seekers, but I think 
you get my point. 

Daniel 



K. Paul Johnson wrote:

> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Wry" <wry1111@e...> wrote:
> > Hi Daniel. What if there is NO Brigitte Muehlegger OR Brian 
Muehlbach 
> > OR Goswami OR his "daughter?" What if THEY ARE ALL FABRICATED 
> > CHARACTERS? 
> 
> Has anyone ever seen Brigitte and Daniel in the same room together?
> 
> As for who is the person who could be doing this, I will 
> > let you speculate on this when you are on vacation.
> 
> Daniel is the only librarian I ever heard of who can take a five 
month vacation; I'm lucky to get five days in a row every other year 
or so. Brigitte too manages to take extremely long vacations. 
Neither appears to have any worldly responsibilities that would 
interfere with spending 24/7 on the Net defending and attacking 
Theosophy and the Masters. Maybe they should vacation together this 
year.
> 
> You can start by 
> > looking at Bridgitte, who has told you much by giving you "her" 
so- 
> > called name.
> 
> Wry adds to the mix of mystery and gameplaying by being 
pseudonymous himself and dropping hints without being willing to 
express with clarity what he is getting at. Well, regardless, I will 
point myself out as exhibit #1, someone who has wasted endless hours 
and energy ensnarled in the games of both Daniel and Brigitte, taking 
them both as sincere when both are only interested in playing games 
with me and each other. I'm only half sincere in suggesting they may 
be the same person, but at some level they are manifestations of the 
same thing.
> 
> There seems to be a rich tradition of the theatrical in 
> > theosophy. but personally, the kind of behavior that is being 
> > demonstrated on this list is immoral and would be against my 
> > conscience as it involves duping innocent people WHEN IT IS NOT 
EVEN 
> > NECESSARY, and it encourages fantasy and deceit when what is 
needed 
> > for genuine spiritual development is the the formation of a 
spiritual 
> > community based on honesty and reality. To the person who is 
doing 
> > this, figure out a way to redeem yourself, if it is even 
possible. 
> > You are guilty of the very thing you accuse others of doing. 
There is 
> > a name for this, but I will not call you it on this list.
> 
> What morality justifies making this accusation in a veiled and 
pseudonymous way rather than openly?
> > 
> > I have smelled a great, big, stinking fish for some time, but 
maybe 
> > I, too, am a cheap cartoon character and this is all my 
imagination. 
> 
> Same smell is detectable here, but do we have a Theosophist 
impersonating an insane anti-Theosophist to make anti-Theosophy look 
bad, or vice versa, or both, or neither?
> 
> > Do not question me about this further, as I will not respond.
> 
> Not questioning you, but commenting that you are adding to the 
mystery and confusion.
> 
> I am 
> > not even a theosophist, and it is NOT my job to sort this out for 
you 
> > people,
> 
> Same here but I have had extensive dealings with these mysterious 
web denizens.
> 
> though I write this as your friend and a friend of theosophy, 
> > Wry
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Daniel H. Caldwell" <comments@b...> 
wrote:
> > > Paul, in a recent email you wrote:
> > > 
> > > "Which brings to mind, in closing, a recent post by Adelasie 
about 
> > > Brigitte . . . "
> > > 
> > > You may not know that Brigitte Muehlegger has not posted on 
this 
> > > forum for months BUT Brian Muehlbach has been posting here 
since 
> > > August of this year.
> 
> I know that you have been playing some ridiculous game going on and 
on about this subject, when it's apparent to everyone else that they 
manage the same website, ergo...
> 
> > > 
> > > Some time ago Bill Meredith stated on this forum that Brian and 
> > > Brigitte are actually the same person.
> > > 
> > > But Brian has denied that he is "Brigitte Muehlegger."
> > > 
> > > Furthermore, Bill Meredith has stated that on another forum 
[WET?] 
> > it 
> > > was common knowledge that Brian was actually Brigitte.
> 
> A forum closed down in part because of your success in infiltrating 
it with a spy and then crowing about said success on another list.
> > > 
> > > Paul, as founder and moderator of WET, can you confirm Bill's 
> > > statement that Brian is actually Brigitte?
> 
> Of course not. Nor can I confirm anything about you and your 
motives, or her/him and her/his, except that there is a hell of a lot 
of game playing going on all around.
> 
> Sure would love to know what is up but am not counting on any 
honesty and sincerity from anyone about it since Wry too just adds to 
the weirdness.
> 
> Too exasperated to keep up with all this crap,
> 
> Paul 
> > > I will be going on a 5 month vacation starting one week from 
today 
> > > but will check the Theos-Talk website several times in the next 
> > week 
> > > for any definitive information you can provide. 
> > > 
> > > Daniel