Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00530)

Hi M.

I hope you know when your leg is being pulled. :-) 

If you did, you wouldn't have a happy smile... You'd be laughing out loud. 

In any event, I agree with Steve -- at least about the things he said about 
freedom and Dopey Dubya. 

But, seriously, the one thing you should know is; The American people (who 
don't own the global businesses) and the people who run this country and make 
all the foreign affairs decisions, are birds of a different color. 

So, when you condemn the "US" imperialism, don't blame all us "Americans" 
(although some of us may have voted, for one reason or another, for the 
assholes at the top who push the buttons. ;-) The rest of us are either 
"indigenous Americans," or a mixed bag of immigrants and their descendants, 
who are about as free as they want to be in their local State and City 
communities (each, with their own separate local laws, rules and regulations) 
-- some of which have probably as many (or less), as ethnically pure (or 
diverse), as prejudiced (or unprejudiced), as free (or unfree) people as in 
your own country... (And, everything in-between.)

LHM 


In a message dated 11/15/02 11:44:07 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes:

>HI Steve and all of you,
>
>Thanks Steve that helped a lot !
>Maybe more than you would know.
>
>from
>M. Sufilight with a happy smile...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:33 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Status of Indigenous Australians
>
>
>> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-> No Bart.
>> > We are just not going to fall on our knees in front of one single -
>> extremly
>> > nationalistic - country which
>> > say they follow the word "freedom" as their nickname - while they
>> do the
>> > opposite !
>>
>> Actually, what you think is freedom is another of Bush's
>> mispronunciations. Just as he cannot pronounce nuclear or Iraq
>> correctly he cannot pronounce oil correctly. Every time Bush says he
>> wants to go to war with Iraq over oil, it sounds like he is saying he
>> wants to go to war over freedom. He is not a liar. Just
>> inarticulate. He needs to resign and take a public speaking course.
>> Or just resign and go away, one of the two.
>>
>> > USA take more prisoners each year than for instance any of the
>> > EU-countries - looking at percentages.
>>
>> Absolutely true. That is the side effect of the so-called war on
>> drugs, which was initially well intentioned and which makes sense on
>> the face of it, but which has evolved into a job corps for out of
>> work prison officials and cops. The problem is, if the laws were
>> reformed, all those people would be put on the unemployment line. It
>> is a classic problem which has faced all societies, in which a vested
>> interest is created snd people fight like hell to keep it.
>>
>> Interestingly, this is a view shared by people across the political
>> spectrum, from William F Buckley to his counterparts of the left.
>>
>> > And what about the arab countries or India ?
>>
>> They are all far, far freer than the United States, no doubt about
>> it. Every Arab or Indian you speak to says they really miss that.
>> Some of us hope we can catch up someday.
>>
>> > And of course Bart will tell me, that the prisoners in the jails of
>> USA are
>> > allowed "FREE MIXING".
>>
>> Nonsense, total nonsense. Bart is a nice guy, but if he defends
>> Israel he will defend anything. Except the rights of Palestinians.
>>
>> > Have you ever visited one of the jails in that particular country ?
>>
>> I will answer on his behalf. He has never even driven past one.
>>
>> > And I am not an anti-american, but I do believe, that peace is
>> important.
>> > Germany wants peace, but what does USA want ?
>>
>> Listen to George Bush's speeches some time when you need help going
>> to sleep. He wants war and he means to get it. Now that he has a
>> rubber stamp parliament it looks as if another war is inevitable.
>> The best we can hope for is that it is short and that he does not get
>> beaten too badly.
>>
>> You don't need an airline ticket Morten. You already have an
>> accurate view of the situation.
>>