Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00455)

Brian: It goes back to the definition of 'master' one who recognizes 
Truth. And Blavatsky is a master at recognizing the truth in whatever 
form it appears. That she may have 'borrowed' or used this book is of 
no moment to me, because in my mind she may have been that man in 
that Chinese incarnation and written it her darn self in that life. 
This book may have never come to light and been the influence it had 
been had she not recognized it. 

And I know she spoke/knew Italian because she and her family had 
reincarnated many times into the Italian ethnic/mediterrean group. 
Besides Italian is easy to read, and THE easiest Romantic language to 
learn--it's a no brainer compared to French.

Now is this author saying she copied it verbatim? The Voice is based 
on the Stanzas of Dyzan right? And people have said it here and there 
that there is no such thing as Senzar language as she called it? Is 
that right? Well, she gets credit for no other reason than 
translating the thing into English. And if my memory serves me 
correctly that she said that she pulled this out of her master's (MM) 
brain while he was touching her temples. And that she had to make his 
English more fluent. Or was that the other story when she was with 
him in Tibet? I get the stories confused. But she says clearly that 
the words of The Voice, anyway, are NOT her own. But it is not proof 
positive that she did not plaigerize it. 

I also read recently that the man who was going to do a big expose on 
her, lived in San Francisco I think, was all set to show and prove 
wher the SD came from and before he could do it he was killed in the 
San Francisco earthquake and all his stuff was lost and the book was 
never written. That's divine justice for ya....

Netemara

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--- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> wrote:
> Well I do have to ad something to the previous posting Reg. "any 
> Chinese person who has been to elementary school knowns 
> who Hsuan Tsang was and what he did" and writes, "The monk's own 
> account of his journey, whose full title is The Great Tang 
Chronicles of 
> the Western World, translated into English by a British clergyman-
> scholar named Samuel Beal, is regarded as one of the great classics 
of 
> Chinese literature." Beal's work would have been marginal to the 
> consciousness of most late 19th-century American and European 
> readers, but not to Orientalists or people like Blavatsky."
> 
> Brian: I read another version of this in the late 1970's. This was 
in Karl 
> H. Frick's "Licht und Finsterniss " ( his next book "Die 
Erleuchtette" 
> continues his overview of Masonic and occult movements that time).
> 
> He also mentions this " tale of the mad monk"
> Hsuan Tsang yet mentioned a translation of this as "the Stanzas" 
in 
> Italian that appeared ten years before "The Secret Doctrine." 
> 
> Although there is no further evidence that Blavatsky in fact used 
that 
> book as an idea, biographical fact is, she did know Italian. 
> reg. "Stanzas," Blavatsky indeed uses this definite Italian word, 
rather 
> then the English "verses".
> 
http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> 
wrote:
> > Brian: By the way, I think I know where Blavatsky got the title 
for 
> > her "Book of Dzyan". (of course the race theories are part of her 
own 
> > mix that she added to these others)
> > 
> > Richard Bernstein, a New York Times book critic, has written a 
book 
> > titled Ultimate Journey: Retracing the Path of an Ancient 
Buddhist 
> Monk 
> > Who Crossed Asia in Search of Enlightenment (2001), describing 
his 
> > own journey in the footsteps of Hsuan Tsang (AD 603 - 664). He 
> notes 
> > that "any Chinese person who has been to elementary school knowns 
> > who Hsuan Tsang was and what he did" and writes, "The monk's own 
> > account of his journey, whose full title is The Great Tang 
Chronicles of 
> > the Western World, translated into English by a British clergyman-
> > scholar named Samuel Beal, is regarded as one of the great 
classics 
> of 
> > Chinese literature." Beal's work would have been marginal to the 
> > consciousness of most late 19th-century American and European 
> > readers, but not to Orientalists or people like Blavatsky.
> > 
> > The name of Hsuan Tsang is also written Xuan Zang, Hiouen Thsang, 
> > Huan Chwang, and Yuan Chwang. His name in Mandarin Chinese is 
> > pronounced "Shyu-ann Dzang". As you can see, "Dzang" is awfully 
> close 
> > to "Dzyan". It seems possible to me that HPB may have cribbed 
the 
> > name of this monk to gain some authenticity with individuals who 
> were 
> > vaguely familiar with Beal's translation of his writings.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> 

> 
> > 
http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Bill Meredith" <bilmer@s...> wrote:
> > > > No you don't need an airline ticket, just listen to Steve and 
ask
> > > > yourself what kind of government could love Steve, and in 
fact 
> take 
> > > care of
> > > > him if he is unable to take care of himself, just so he can 
> > > continue to be
> > > > who he is.
> > > 
> > > Hi, Bill:
> > > 
> > > I don't have a clue as to what that statement means. I don't 
believe 
> > > anyone "loves" any of us, and if we end up a ward of the state, 
the 
> > > government won't take care of us just so we can continue to be 
> who 
> > we 
> > > are. They will keep us in something slightly better than a 
> > > vegetative state until the Grim Reaper comes and gets us. I 
have 
> > > visited those places and could not wait to get out. 
Fortunately, the 
> > > medicare system is starting to rate nursing homes, but I don't 
know 
> > > how advanced a state that effort is in. It will be interesting 
to 
> > > see how much more highly rated are institutions for the ruling 
elite 
> > > than for the elderly poor who got ripped off by the investment 
> > > bankers.
> > > 
> > > Iraq is an Arab country, and Scott Ritter publicly made some 
rather 
> > > frank comments about George Bush while he was there. Saddam 
> did 
> > not 
> > > put him in jail to my knowledge.
> > > 
> > > If Oil War II does not end quickly and leaves a lot of 
teenagers from 
> > > Iowa dying in convulsions from inhaling Sarin the jingoism in 
this 
> > > country will last about as long as a puff of hair spray. Bear 
in 
> > > mind the last urban combat our forces engaged in was in 
> Mogaadishu, 
> > > and Aidid did not have nerve gases. If Bush starts an 
avoidable war 
> > > he is taking one hell of a political chance, and may well end 
the 
> > > Bush dynasty. You know of course that they are now saying 
after 
> > > eight years of George we will have to put up with eight years 
of Jeb 
> > > and then presumably work our way down the list until we get to 
> > > Silverado Neil. If he trips in the sand that may not happen. 
Groegr 
> > > says he does not care about the folks who will be grabbing 
those oil 
> > > wells for him. No Yalies there, after all. But if he thinks 
nobody 
> > > else cares he may be in for a very big surprise.