Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00437)

HI Bill and all of you,

Well thanks for that remark of yours.

Maybe the following could be of some help.

I will give the word to Martin Luther King Jr., who in his famous "I've been
to the mountain top" speech makes
a very good ponit on the present day situation :

"And another reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we have
been forced to a point where we are going to have to grapple with the
problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the
demands didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with
them. Men for years now have been talking about war and peace. But now, no
longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between
violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence.
That is where we are today. "
(http://www.africanamericans.com/MLKjrI'veBeentotheMountaintop.htm;
from - april 3rd 1968; the day before King died)

One could read the whole speech, and learn something by it.
Or one could download some of the speech here: http://www.mlkonline.com/

So let the nations of the world seek peace and calm... It is needed.
Are there any peace in the jails ?
How are the children being helped, so that they won't go to jail ?
How are the arab countries going to avoid - "pusher street" ?

I give the word to the... mr. King:

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military
defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."
"America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead
the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic death
wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities so that the pursuit of
peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. There is nothing to keep
us from molding a recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have
fashioned it into a brotherhood."

Excerpted from "Beyond Vietnam", an address delivered on 4 April 1967 to the
Clergy and Laymen Concerned About Vietnam at Riverside Church in New York
City. (full text)



from
M. Sufilight with peace...




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Meredith" <bilmer@surfsouth.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Status of Indigenous Australians


> Morten, I'm sure you appreciate the fact that both Bart's and Steve's
point
> of view originates in the same USA. Try being in a middle eastern country
> and talking publicly about the leader of that country the way Steve talks
> about the President of this country and see how good the jails are there.
> Well yes I have spent some time in several Arab countries as well as in
> Israel. No you don't need an airline ticket, just listen to Steve and ask
> yourself what kind of government could love Steve, and in fact take care
of
> him if he is unable to take care of himself, just so he can continue to be
> who he is.
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Status of Indigenous Australians
>
>
> > HI Steve and all of you,
> >
> > Thanks Steve that helped a lot !
> > Maybe more than you would know.
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with a happy smile...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Status of Indigenous Australians
> >
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> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-> No Bart.
> > > > We are just not going to fall on our knees in front of one single -
> > > extremly
> > > > nationalistic - country which
> > > > say they follow the word "freedom" as their nickname - while they
> > > do the
> > > > opposite !
> > >
> > > Actually, what you think is freedom is another of Bush's
> > > mispronunciations. Just as he cannot pronounce nuclear or Iraq
> > > correctly he cannot pronounce oil correctly. Every time Bush says he
> > > wants to go to war with Iraq over oil, it sounds like he is saying he
> > > wants to go to war over freedom. He is not a liar. Just
> > > inarticulate. He needs to resign and take a public speaking course.
> > > Or just resign and go away, one of the two.
> > >
> > > > USA take more prisoners each year than for instance any of the
> > > > EU-countries - looking at percentages.
> > >
> > > Absolutely true. That is the side effect of the so-called war on
> > > drugs, which was initially well intentioned and which makes sense on
> > > the face of it, but which has evolved into a job corps for out of
> > > work prison officials and cops. The problem is, if the laws were
> > > reformed, all those people would be put on the unemployment line. It
> > > is a classic problem which has faced all societies, in which a vested
> > > interest is created snd people fight like hell to keep it.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, this is a view shared by people across the political
> > > spectrum, from William F Buckley to his counterparts of the left.
> > >
> > > > And what about the arab countries or India ?
> > >
> > > They are all far, far freer than the United States, no doubt about
> > > it. Every Arab or Indian you speak to says they really miss that.
> > > Some of us hope we can catch up someday.
> > >
> > > > And of course Bart will tell me, that the prisoners in the jails of
> > > USA are
> > > > allowed "FREE MIXING".
> > >
> > > Nonsense, total nonsense. Bart is a nice guy, but if he defends
> > > Israel he will defend anything. Except the rights of Palestinians.
> > >
> > > > Have you ever visited one of the jails in that particular country ?
> > >
> > > I will answer on his behalf. He has never even driven past one.
> > >
> > > > And I am not an anti-american, but I do believe, that peace is
> > > important.
> > > > Germany wants peace, but what does USA want ?
> > >
> > > Listen to George Bush's speeches some time when you need help going
> > > to sleep. He wants war and he means to get it. Now that he has a
> > > rubber stamp parliament it looks as if another war is inevitable.
> > > The best we can hope for is that it is short and that he does not get
> > > beaten too badly.
> > >
> > > You don't need an airline ticket Morten. You already have an
> > > accurate view of the situation.
> > >
> > >
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