Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00138)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bhakti Ananda Goswami 
Subject: MY POST TO THEOS-TALK EGROUP


GREETINGS DEAR FELLOW RESPECTERS OF TRUTH AND VIRTUE, 

PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESPECTFUL OBEISANCES.

MY NAME IS BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI, AND I AM A SANNYASI AND SHIKSHA 
(INSTRUCTING) MASTER IN THE ANCIENT AND VENERABLE BRAHMA-MADHVA-
GAUDIYA LINEAGE OF VAISHNAVISM. I HAVE ALSO HAD EXTENSIVE EXPERIANCE 
WITH SHAIVA, SHAKTI, BUDDHIST AND OTHER TRADITIONS. I HAVE BEEN 
INVOLVED IN COMPARATIVE RELIGION STUDIES AND INTERFAITH MINISTRIES 
FOR 35 YEARS, AND HAVE BEEN DOING POST-GRADUATE LEVEL QUALITY 
INTERDISCIPLINARY RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF RELIGION FOR AT LEAST 25 
OF THOSE YEARS. I SUCCESSFULLY DELIVERED THE ORAL PRESENTATION OF MY 
TWO YEAR MASTER'S DEGREE THESIS, BUT NEVER PUBLISHED MY THESIS OR 
RECEIVED MY DEGREE, BECAUSE I HAD TO GO INTO A NURSING HOME ON A 
RESPIRATOR, DUE TO POST-POLIO SYNDROME BREATHING MUSCLE PARALYSIS, 
BEFORE I COULD FINISH MY MASTER'S DEGREE PROJECT.  


AT PRESENT I AM BED-RIDDEN MOST OF THE TIME. MY COMPUTER IS 
INSTALLED OVER MY BED, AND I TYPE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THESE ARE WHAT 
ARE EASIEST FOR ME TO SEE WHEN I AM UNABLE TO SIT UP. MANY COMPUTER 
USERS HAVE DIFFICULTY SEEING THEIR MONITORS. WHEN PERSONS SUCH AS 
MYSELF USE ALL CAPS, PLEASE DON'T ALSWAYS ASSUME THAT IT IS BECAUSE 
WE ARE RUDE AND SHOUTING. IT IS NOT A CHOICE, BUT A REQUIRED 
AUSTERITY.  


WITH MY PERMISSION, BRIAN HAS EXCERPTED AND POSTED SOME OF MY PRIVATE 
LETTERS TO THIS FORUM. BRIAN HAS NOT BEEN SHOUTING AT ANYONE. I HAVE 
NOT BEEN POSTING MYSELF, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN COMBATING 
RACIST ARYANISTS GLOBALLY, AND AS A RESULT HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS 
DEATH THREATS AND ACTUAL ATTACKS FROM THEM. SO I NO LONGER LIKE TO 
EXPOSE MYSELF TO ARYANIST FANATICISM OF ANY KIND, ANY MORE THAN 
NECCESSARY. THUS, BRIAN WAS POSTING ANONYMOUSLY AS A COURTESY FOR 
ME. 

EVEN THOUGH I AM SURE NONE OF YOU ARE VIOLENT RACISTS, OF THE KIND 
THAT I HAVE BEEN COMBATING, IT SEEMS PROBABLE TO ME THAT YOU DON'T 
REALIZE HOW ARYOSOPHISM IS FOUNDATIONAL TO THE THOUGHT SYSTEMS OF THE 
RACIST GROUPS I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH IN MY WORK. I HAVE EXPERIANCED 
THE WORST OF THE OUT-COMES OF ARYOSOPHISM, BECAUSE IN MY WORK I HAVE 
COMBATED THE WORST KIND OF RACIST FANATICS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. BECAUSE 
OF THIS, I GENERALLY TO NOT LIKE TO READ T SOCIETY ATTEMPTS TO DENY 
THE INFLUENCE OF TS RELATED ARYOSOPHISM ON GLOBAL HISTORY. WHETHER 
THEY ARE HINDU, JAPANESE, EUROPEAN, SRI LANKAN, AMERICAN OR OTHER 
ARYANIST RACISTS, THEY ARE TIED TOGETHER BY THE SAME GENERAL BELIEF-
SYSTEMS, WITH ELEMENTS OF TS RELATED ARYOSOPHISM IN THEM. 

MY OPINION IS THAT HPB HAD A BENEVOLENT BUT RACIST ATTITUDE TOWARDS 
BLACKS, AND WAS ANTI-SEMITIC AND ANTI-CATHOLIC. SHE DID NOT 
ANTICIPATE OR INTEND THAT HER SCIENTISTIC ROOT-RACES IDEAS WOULD END- 
UP FORMING THE BEDROCK OF SOME VERY MALEVOLENT THOUGHT-SYSTEMS. NOT 
WANTING TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT WITH THEOSOPHISTS ABOUT THE FACT OF 
HER RACIST INFLUENCE, I HAVE NOT POSTED TO ANY THEOSOPHICAL SITES.  
MY PRIVATE CORRESPONDANCE WITH BRIAN (AND IT IS PROPER TO ADDRESS A 
PERSON AS THEY WISH), HAS NOT BEEN MEANT TO INSULT OR OFFEND ANY 
INDIVIDUAL THEOSOPHISTS, BUT RATHER TO EXPRESS MY THINKING ON THE 
MAJOR ISSUES THEMSELVES. 

SINCE I HAVE BECOME INVOLVED IN THIS FORUM, AND DON'T WANT BRIAN TO 
BE ERRONEOUSLY ACCUSED OF SHOUTING IN CAPS AT YOU ALL, I AM 
INTRODUCING MYSELF. I HAVE HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS AND FRIENDS WRITING 
TO ME THAT I OWE LETTERS TO, AND MANY OTHER PRESSING DUTIES TO ATTEND 
TO, SO I CANNOT, WITH MY PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS, GET INTO ANY HEATED 
EXCHANGES ON THIS FORUM. STILL,I WILL TRY TO WRITE SOMETHING 
REGARDING MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE MAHATMA LETTERS FOR POSTING HERE 
SOON.  

BEST WISHES,

HH TRIDANDI SANNYASI BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI MAHARAJA

BRAHMA-MADHVA-GAUDIYA SAMPRADAYA OF VAISHNAVISM

INTERFAITH COMMITTEE ORGANIZER, WORLD VAISHNAVA ORGANIZATION, 
VRINDAVANA INDIA. 


--- In theos-talk@y..., "Daniel H. Caldwell" <comments@b...> wrote:
> Dear Brian/Brigitte,
> 
> If you want many people to continue reading your messages, I would 
> suggest that you do NOT use all caps. Using all caps makes it 
> difficult for most people to read the text.
> 
> What would Paul Johnson say if he knew what you were doing! :)
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> 
wrote:
> > THE HARE BROTHERS BOOK IS A FIRST ATTEMPT AND EVEN THERE 
> > THEOSOPHISTS DID NO REBUT ALL THE POINTS, JUST SOME)MORE 
> > PORTANT FOR TODAY IS, AND THE QUESTION FOR CALDWELL TO 
> > SHOW PROOF IF HE IS INDEED EXPERT IN THE FIELD. TO BESIDES THE 
> > HARES QUIRKIES ABOUT FRANCE LANGUAGE EXPRESSIONS AND 
> > AMERICAN SLANG IN THE LETTERS THAT STEVE MENTIONS AS 
> > BLAVATSKY'S "TUMBNAIL THAT IS ALL OVEER THE PLACE" THE FACT 
> > REMAINS ALSO
> > THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN THOSE LETTERS, WHICH COULD NOT 
> > HAVE BEEN PENNED BY HPB AND HER EDUCATED COHORTS. NOTHING.  
> > THE 'WISDOM' IN THEM IS NOT EVIDENCE OF A SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE 
> > AND VISION, POSSESSED AND SEEN BY ANCIENT BEINGS OR AGELESS 
> > BEINGS OUTSIDE OF TIME. IT IS THE INFORMATION / KNOWLEDGE 
> > BASE OF PERSONS WITH A DISTINCT TIME-LIMITED FRAME OF 
> > REFERENCE. PROJECTING THEIR VICTORIAN ERA ESOTERIC WORLD-
> > VIEW BACK ONTO THE HISTORY OF THOUGHT, THE AUTHORS APPEAR 
> > TO BE WOEFULLY DEFICIENT IN UNDERSTANDING THEIR 'OWN' SO-
> > CALLED INDIAN OR TIBETAN, WTEVER, SACRED TRADITIONS. THE 
> > SPECULATIONS OF THE SO-CALLED MASTERS, ABOUT ANCIENT 
> > EGYPTIAN AND INDIAN THOUGHT, WERE QUITE LIMITED TO THE 
> > INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO HPB AND FRIENDS. THEIR OWN 
> > ESOTERIC STUDIES IN ROSICRUCIANISM, MASONRY AND SPIRITISM 
> > ETC. AND WIDE READING IN RELIGION, HISTORY, PHILOSOPHY AND THE 
> > SCIENCE OF THEIR DAY, WAS ENOUGH TO FORM THE KNOWLEDGE-
> > BASE EVIDENT IN ALL OF THE MAHATMA LETTERS AND HPB'S BOOKS.   
> > BEYOND THIS INFORMATION, THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING THERE. 
> >  
> > THEY WERE IN A SENSE MASTERS OF WHATEVER IT WAS THAT HBP 
> > AND FRIENDS HAD MASTERED.....THE WESTERN ESOTERIC 'WISDOM' 
> > OF THEIR TIME. HOWEVER THEY WERE RANK NEOPHYTES WHEN IT 
> > CAME TO MANY THINGS THAT THE MAHATMAS' CLAIMED MASTERY 
> > OF. THUS THE 'MASTERS' SHOULD BE TESTED ON THESE THINGS.  
> > THEY MADE THE CLAIM OF MASTERY, LET THEM EXPLAIN THEMSELVES 
> > DANIEL CALWELL BY PROVIDING TEXTUAL EXAMPLES TO SHOW THIS.
> > 
> > 
> > THEY WERE IN A SENSE MASTERS OF WHATEVER IT WAS THAT HBP 
> > AND FRIENDS HAD MASTERED.....THE WESTERN ESOTERIC 'WISDOM' 
> > OF THEIR TIME. HOWEVER THEY WERE RANK NEOPHYTES WHEN IT 
> > CAME TO MANY THINGS THAT THE MAHATMAS' CLAIMED MASTERY 
> > OF. THUS THE 'MASTERS' SHOULD BE TESTED ON THESE THINGS.  
> > THEY MADE THE CLAIM OF MASTERY.
> > 
> > AFTER I MADE THE HARE BROTHER REMARK STEVE MENTIONED THAT 
> > BLAVATSKY'S "TUMBNAIL" STEVE WROTE IS ALL OVE R THE PLACE.  
> > THE NEXT STEP HOWEVER NOW REALLY SHOULD BE AS STEVE NEXT 
> > ALSO WROTE :""There is still one challlenge - more 
> > difficult than collecting preicpitaion stories - which has not 
been 
> dealt 
> > with: how to argue from an unbiased perspective that the mahatma 
> > letters did contain the actual thoughts of the mahatmas and not 
> those of 
> > the amanuensis chelas who produced them?"
> > 
> > DOUBTFULL DANIEL C. CALDWELL IS CAPABLE EVER REPONDING TO 
> > THIS CHALLENGE. (I AM PLACING THE ABOVE ON MY WEB SITE)
> >  
> http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehle=
> > b9
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Daniel H. Caldwell" <comments@b...>
> wrote:…