Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00240)

--- In theos-talk@y..., "Dennis Kier" <dennw3k@e...> wrote:
> > If you are referring to Israel as the oppressor, and the
> Palestinians
> > as the oppressed, learn some history. The Palestinians were trying
> to
> > destroy Israel. They made war against Israel. They lost. That's 
how
> > Israel ended up with the West Bank. And the Palestinians STILL 
have
> the
> > primary goal of the destruction of the State of Israel.
> >
> > Admittedly, the Palestinians, when the State of Israel was 
created,
> > didn't oppress the Jews who were living among them. They just 
killed
> > them and seized their land.

Some points:

(1) It is not true that Muslims in the mideast never oppressed Jews. 
It was to escape the oppression of Muslim rulers that the Sephardic 
Jews established the first Zionist communities in Palestine. It is 
because this oppression has come to an end that the non-Palestinian 
Muslims hate the "state of Israel" so much, and not because of the 
plight of the Palestinians, about whom they do not give a damn. The 
fantasy that Muslim rulers were really nice to Jews prior to 1900 is 
taught in Israeli schools along with other historical lies.

(2) It is true that said rulers did not rule Russia or Poland and 
were therefore not responsible for the pogroms that took place in 
those territories. The Russian and Polish Jews who emigrated to 
Palestine never were the victims of mideast Muslim oppression while 
in European Russia.

(3) It is Israel which waged war against the Arabs in 1967 and seized 
the West Bank.

(4) There are a lot of people in Israel who do not belong to the 
Likud Party and neither revere nor respect the Commandant of Unit 
101. Some of these people think peace in their homes is preferable 
to the "transfer" progfram and the ongoing land grab beyond their 
borders. Regardless of which side of the argument you come down on, 
it is simply a fact that not everyone is of one mind on this.

The policy of the Sharonistas is leaving the descendants of the 
people who currently rule Palestine with a terrible legacy. The 
Latin Kingdom lasted 148 years, but it fell, and "Israel" has been 
around just over 1/3 of that time. Moreover, it is situated in a 
corner of the world where the Crusades, fought 800 years ago, are 
considered a iiving memory and contemporary history. It is 
inevitable that the Arabs will raptriate the land which is rightfully 
theirs. It is also inevitable that the Jews will creats as much hard 
feeling as possible between now and then, making the retribution that 
is taken a terrible one indeed. If there were any sanity in the 
world, the Commandant and his worshippers would be looking to build 
bridges and not walls. The idea that there is going to be a 
permanent, ethnicall cleansed and purified "Israel" with a wall 
around it and a sign saying "Arabs get out" is pure fantasy. They 
are trying to do something that simply is not doavle.

I listened to a radio interview on Fresh Air yesterday in which Terri 
Gross interviewed some Fundamentalist Christian. (Tapes and 
transcripts can be ordered over the Internet if you are interested.) 
She also interviewed some Jewish guy named Gershom something who 
wrote a book about all this called The End of Days. The 
Fundamentalists are urging Jews to go to Palestine to prepare for 
what they think is going to he the final holocaust, in which 2/3 of 
them will be wiped out and the remainder will become "born again" 
Christians. Iwas laughing out loud when I first heard that, but then 
it occurred to e that scenario may not be all that far fetched. It 
is not unreasonable to extrapolate to that outcome from the current 
state of affairs.