Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00091)

Oct 12 2002

Dear Friends :

The question asked below has been one that i have pondered for some
years.

I have always been struck with the phrase: "Where thought can pass,
They can come." (or something to that effect.) What does it mean?

I have taken it to mean that I ought to myself work to attain as high
a level of awareness and willingness and aspiration as possible. But
this is only something I can resolve for myself. I am pretty sure any
one can do this, and then band together with others, as we all are,
seeking for the TRUTH. When we are brothers working together we give
the Master a place and a group that can be dealt with, influenced,
encouraged for the good of all.. Does this sound indefinite? Yes and
no.

See if you can help me resolve some of my thoughts -- as below:

One of H P B's close associates: Wm. Q, Judge wrote an article: WILL
MASTERS' HELP BE WITHDRAWN IN 1898 UNTIL 1975? [ PATH, November
1894 ].

In another article: THE CLOSING CYCLE [ IRISH THEOSOPHIST, January
1895] he wrote in part:

"...the plan is to keep the T S alive as an active, free, unsectarian
body during all the time of waiting far the next great messenger, who
will be herself beyond question."

Note: He does not say 1975 will be that date. So we are left
wondering.


In still another article: REFLECTIONS ON THE FUTURE, [LUCIFER, March
1892] Mr. Judge makes a further observations on the life work of H P B
under the laws and rules of the great Lodge. (reproduced below)

These three articles can be read or downloaded from:
http://www.blavatsky.net

They are also available in the printed books: COLLECTED ARTICLES OF W.
Q. JUDGE ( in 2 volumes) published by the Theosophy Company. in Los
Angeles. Also in pamphlet form.


Yes there were predictions that "H P B" would "return" in 1975.
Members of the T S looked forward to that as to a "saviour." And in
the meantime what did they do ?

The preparation for a return of H P B was it made ? The answer to
that has to be discovered in the History of the THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT
. There are no ready-made answers or any "authoritarian
pronouncements."

Since it is now 2002 and 27 years have elapsed since the hoped for
date of 1975. Can we trace the hand and power of H P B moving in, and
among us? How are "theosophists in name" to become "Theosophists in
deed and in SPIRIT ?" This is a question each can only answer for
themselves. Have we/they done some work on this?

One has to study THEOSOPHY to know what these answers are or can be.
If we have considered this was too much work, or inappropriate for the
amount of time needed, then ? ? ? ?

I think the mystery lies in the VOICE OF THE SILENCE There it speaks
of the Eye and the Heart Doctrines. Whoever succeeds in disentangling
those has an answer direct from H P B.

Let us start with the idea that at root base each of us is a SPIRITUAL
BEING. We are an eternal MONAD (ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS). Now how would or
should such an immortal being (our HIGHER SELF) act in our world,
using a body of the race? Contrast that with our daily interests,
actions and usage of time.

Furthermore, can we, thorough the study of the pages of THEOSOPHIST,
LUCIFER and PATH and the books, articles and letters of Mme.
Blavatsky, trace how H P B lived? Can we secure a perspective on her
living spirit, and see how this provides the dedication that lives in
her books and articles? Have we assimilated them? Do we know them
well? Do we respect them? Can we see the "principles" active in
ourselves?

This question is superficial on the face of it, as it looks for an
image, or, perhaps may seem to hope for another to (miraculously ?)
do our work for us. Theosophy and Occultism are far deeper than
that, as they go to the root of our being -- the place where we make
our momentary decisions. Who and what is the "decision maker" in us ?
What part of us tells the mind what to do and how to discipline our
personality? Do we ever consider doing this ? How to begin? What
basic principles to adopt?

It is the place where we decide our actins and our words. Do they
respect and tally with the law of brotherhood and take Karma into
consideration? Is the cooperative side of our life with others
considered? Do we look on them and then act deliberately as their
brothers and friends?

If we look at the BHAGAVAD GITA, we find that Krishna, the teacher
declares to Arjuna, the pupil, that "The fight is in the mind." Then,
speaking as the UNIVERSAL WISE-ONE he declares: "I am the EGO which
is seated in the hearts of all beings." (Nor men only, but all beings
down to the most minute.) As to who He is: he says in another place:
"I established this whole universe with a portion of myself, and
remain separate." Thus "Krishna" the Universal Sage is always bot
involved in evolution and separate from it as the "ABSOLUTE."

Let us look at what Theosophy teaches: The Mind is an arena in which
two opposite contenders are opposed: WISDOM and FOLLY (or ignorance).

As we pass our hours and days who gains advantage? The wisdom
acquired through learning all we can about our life's meaning and our
place in nature is important. The opposite side involves lassitude
and disinterest -- it is selfish and pleasure seeking.

So the answer about H P B revolves around a single question: Have we
made a place for her to stay available? Is there any such place
currently available? Or does each "devotee" make one for her to
resonate in, in themselves, in their "higher-Mind" ?

Next, If this is/was not done, then would she have come, done her
work and left no impression for us to notice? That is possible. The
proximity of the Masters and of a noble Adept, such as H P B is, is
always a matter of the welcome we give. This needs thinking about.

It is a good idea to think about these things and see if something can
be done from this side.

There is an old saying: "First deserve then desire." Apparently this
cannot be reversed.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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Here's the article:

ON THE FUTURE: A FEW REFLECTIONS
Although I am an American citizen, the place of my birth was in
Ireland, and in what I am about to say I cannot be accused of
Columbiamania, for no matter how long might be my life I could never
be an American. For that perhaps it is right, since it is compulsory,
to wait for some distant incarnation.[PARA]Now, either H. P. B. was
right or she was wrong in what she says in the Secret Doctrine about
the future of America. If wrong, then all this may be dismissed as
idle speculation. But, if right, then all thoughtful Theosophists must
take heed, weigh well, mentally appropriate and always remember what
are her words as well as the conclusions to which they lead.[PARA]In
the first pages of the second volume she speaks of five great
Continents. First, the Imperishable Sacred Land [this is at the North
Pole, W.Q.J.]; second, the Hyperborean, now part of it is in Northern
Asia; third, Lemuria, sunk long ago, but leaving some remains,
islands, the points of high mountain ranges; fourth, Atlantis,
presumably in the Atlantic Ocean, now below the level of the water,
but with perhaps Teneriffe and Atlas as reminders; and fifth, "was
America."[PARA]From a survey of the book, digging in notes and culling
from the text here and there, the conclusion is irresistible that
although the present America is not the actual Continent as it is to
be, it is a portion of it; and certainly is now the nursery for the
race that will in the future occupy the sixth Continent, which for the
sixth Great Root-Race will emerge from the waters. Where? Perhaps when
the present America has been split up by tremendous cataclysms,
leaving here and there large pieces on its western side, it is in the
Pacific Ocean that the great mass of the new one will come up from the
long sleep below the sea. Rightly then will the great far western
ocean have been named Pacific, for that Race will not be given to
contest nor hear of wars or rumors of war, since it will be too near
the seventh, whose mission it must be to attain to the consummation,
to seize and hold the Holy Grail.[PARA]Turn to page 444 and onward of
the second volume. Read there that the Americans have become in only
three hundred years a primary race pro tem., in short, the germs of
the sixth sub-race, to blossom in a few more centuries into the
pioneers of that one which must succeed to the present European fifth
sub-race in all its characteristics. Then after about 25,000 years,
which you will note is meant for a great sidereal cycle of a little
over that length of time, this new race will prepare for the seventh
sub-race. Cataclysms will then fall upon you; lands and nations will
be swept away, first of all being the European, including the British
Isles - if not gone before - and then parts of both North and South
America. And how puny, mongrel, indeed, will be the remains of the
scientists of today, great masters of microbes now, but then to be
looked upon as strange remains of the Nineteenth Century, when, as the
people will tell each other then, so many, with Truth before them,
laughed at it and stoned its apostles, dancing a fantastic dance
meanwhile around the altar of invisible matter.[PARA]It seems as if
some power, deliberately planning, had selected North and South
America for the place where a new primary root-race should be begun.
These two continents were evidently the seats of ancient races and not
the habitat of wild undeveloped men. The red man of the Northern one
has all the appearance and beliefs of a once great race. He believes
in one God, a Devachan of happy hunting after death. Some tribes have
diagrams of how the world was formed and peopled, that strangely
resemble Hindū cosmogony, and their folklore bears deep marks of
having come down from an older and better time. Following the course
of exploration southwards, w find accumulating evidences all the way
of a prior civilization now gone with the cyclic wave which brought it
up. Central America is crowded with remains in stone and brick; and so
on south still we discover similar proofs. In course of time these
continents became what might be called arable land, lying waiting,
recuperating, until the European streams of men began to pour upon it.
The Spanish overflowed South America and settled California and
Mexico; the English, French, and Spanish took the North, and later all
nations came, so that now in both continents nearly every race is
mixed and still mixing. Chinese even have married women of European
blood; Hindūs are also here; the ancient Parsī race has its
representatives; the Spanish mixed with the aborigines, and the
slaveholders with the Africans. I doubt not but that some one from
every race known to us has been here and has left, within the last two
hundred years, some impression through mixture of blood.[PARA]But the
last remnants of the fifth Continent, America, will not disappear
until the new race has been some time born. Then a new Dwelling, the
sixth Continent, will have appeared over the waters to receive the
youth who will tower above us as we do above the pigmies of Africa.
But no America as we now know it will exist. Yet these men must be the
descendants of the race that is now rising here. Otherwise our
philosophy is all wrong. So then, in America now is forming the new
sub-race, and in this land was founded the present Theosophical
Society: two matters of great importance. It was to the United States,
observe, that the messenger of the Masters came, although Europe was
just as accessible for the enterprise set on foot. Later, this
messenger went to India and then to Europe, settling down in the
British Isles. All of this is of importance in our reflections. For
why in America at first does she begin the movement, and why end her
part of it in England? One might be led to ask why was not an effort
made at all costs to give the last impulse outwardly in the land of
promise where she began the work?[PARA]Do not imagine for one moment,
O ye English brothers of mine, that London was selected for this
because the beauties of your island called her, or for that she had
decided at the finish that after all a mistake had been made in not
going there first. It was all out of stern necessity, with a wisdom
derived from many older heads, having in view the cycles as they sweep
resistlessly forward. The point where the great energy is started, the
centre of force, is the more important, and not the place at which it
is ended. And this remains true, no matter how essential the place of
ending may be in the scheme. What, do you suppose India is not as
important? and would not that land have offered seemingly a better
spot than all for the beginning of the magnum opus? Adepts do not make
mistakes like that.[PARA]America's discovery is ascribed to
Christopher Columbus. Although it is doubted, yet no one doubts that
the Spanish people did the most at first in peopling it, meanwhile
working off some old and making some new Karma, by killing many of the
aborigines. Thus it is that doomed people rush on to their doom, even
as the troops of insects, animals and men were seen by Arjuna to rush
into Krishna's flaming mouths. But later came the sturdy stock from
England, who, in the greatest nation, the most enduring on this
continent, have left their impress indelibly in the people, in its
laws, in its constitution, its customs, its literature and language.
Perhaps England and Ireland are the gateways for the Egos who
incarnate here in the silent work of making a new race. Maybe there is
some significance in the fact that more lines of steamships conveying
human freight come to the United States from England, passing Ireland
on the way as the last seen land of the old world, than from anywhere
else. The deeds of men, the enterprises of merchants, and the wars of
soldiers all follow implicitly a law that is fixed in the stars, and
while they copy the past they ever symbolize the future.[PARA]Did H.
P. B. only joke when she wrote in her book that Ireland is an ancient
Atlantean remnant, and England a younger Isle, whose rising from the
sea was watched by wise men from Erin's shore? Perhaps the people of
that old land may have an important influence in the new race of
America. It would appear from comparison that they might have had, and
probably will in the future. Perhaps, politically, since many expect
social disturbances in America. In such a case any student of
character will admit that the Irish, ignorant or not, will stand for
law and order - for her sons are not battling here with an ancient
foe. Why, too, by strange freak of fate is the great stone of destiny
in Westminster Abbey fixed under the coronation chair on which the
Queen was crowned? Let us also be informed if there be any
finger-shadow pointing to the future in the fact that England's Queen,
crowned over that stone, 1 is Empress of India, from which we claim
the Aryans came, and where their glorious long-forgotten knowledge is
preserved? Her name is Victory. It is the victory for "the new order
of Ages"; and that new order began in America, its advent noted and
cut on the as yet unused obverse side of the present seal of the
United States Government. A victory in the union of the Egos from East
and West; for England stretches one hand over to the home of the new
race, which she can never own, with the other governing India, and
completes the circuit. It may be a fleeting picture, perhaps to be
wiped out for a while in a stream of blood, but such is the way the
cycles roll and how we may learn to read the future. For England's
destiny is not complete, nor has the time struck. None of us hug
foolish delusions too long, and even if Ireland were once a most
sacred place, that is no reason why we should want to go there. For in
America those whose Karma has led them there will work for the same
end and brotherhood as others left in India and Europe. The dominant
language and style of thought in America is English, albeit
transforming itself every day. It is there that silently the work goes
on; there European fathers and mothers have gone, establishing
currents of attraction that will inevitably and unceasingly draw into
reincarnation Egos similar to themselves. And the great forward and
backward rush is completed by the retarded Egos as they die out of
other nations, coming meanwhile into flesh again among the older races
left behind.[PARA]* * * *[PARA]At least such seemed the view while the
clouds lifted - and then once more there was silence.[PARA]WILLIAM Q.
JUDGE, F.T.S.[PARA]Lucifer, March, 1892[PARA][PARA](1) It is an
interesting fact that in India there is an important ceremony called
"mounting the stone."[PARA][PARA]
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DTB

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-----Original Message-----
From: M N O
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:12 AM
To:
Subject Re: Roerich against Bailey...!? NEW ?


Hi All of you,


...and all you readers who do you think was the teacher 'predicted'
by H. P. Blavatsky to come from around the year 1975 and onward.
Or is the teacher late ???

Is the teacher a sufi ? OR Was the teacher a sufi ? OR Will the
teacher be a
sufi ?
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