Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00045)

Hi Leon and all of you,

Yes Leon !

And with the following from my article in mind, one could ask if Alice A.
Bailey was what in the article is mentioned as a 'second teacher' (or even a
'third teacher' etc.) ? And is the other writers in the sort of
Anti-Bailey-article at the place you mention
(http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/HPBvsAB.html )
'forzen in development' or 'just making a scondary kind of teaching' ? I
think so ! (Do a need to make a email on that too, to show it ?)
Try the below excerpt or the whole article.


My article is (with bruced english) at :
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/BLAVATSK.HTM

Here is a minor part of it:
"From time to time suitable teachers of the Wisdom Tradition has been sent
by their Masters or guides to travel to a certain place and establish the
teaching. Such teachers have an influence on various levels.

HPB was one of them no doubt. I think AAB to a lesser extent - also no
doubt. 'Lesser' because one should know people on their fruits. HPB's fruits
are bigger than AAB's at present when compared; I think that we can agree on
that.
If some of the followers of AAB is right this will change, and AAB will be
more popular. I have to say I doubt it a little. I think we instead will see
a further development of the teachings of both HPB, AAB and others, who will
not be, is not or even was not theosophist in dead-letter sense, but anyway
belonging to the Wisdom Tradition. (An important sentence). AAB is open for
this idea, and HPB of course also. If one is in doubt about that, then read
their books and scriptures or se the references later.

Those above mentioned Spiritual teachers work has not only been to give
people Spiritual guidance and education. It has also been to prepare the
ground for further development of the living progress of the Path of Wisdom.
There are also minor emissaries who are sent out to teach and prepare the
ground for further development. These people has been known to set
themselves up as ultimate authorities, because part of their training is to
test their loyalty to the whole School of Wisdom, which is as generally
known consisting of one entity.
But, if, a teacher of the Wisdom tradition dies, or there is a gap in the
teaching, what then? The interesting thing is, that the very gap is a part
of the training. You may explain certain things to a child : shall we say
teach her or him not to do certain things. Then you will pretend to go out
of the house - and observe her or him. According to how well he/she has
learned, so will he/she react. In this 'absence exercise', precisely the
same thing happens to the teacher of Wisdom, though many are not conscious
of it.

After the disappearance from the field of a teacher of Wisdom, the followers
will divide themselves into groups, in accordance with their strength and
weaknesses. Some will assume control of others. They may be good or bad, and
this will be shown by their reaction to - the second teacher - when he/she
arrives.
If they realise he/she is their teacher, then they have merely been
developing themselves and can mature. But if they have become atrophied,
they will be too blind to recognize the Spirituality of the very teacher,
for which appearance they have been prepared. They may attach themselves, in
default, to a different group. (And this groups existence is maybe no
coincidence.) Again well and good : providing they return to the mainstream
of teaching when it is offered to them again. This is the test of whether
they have overcome the lower self. They will realise, if they are
sufficiently developed, that the person who appears to be 'second' teacher
is in reality - the first in importance.
Life is reversed for the undeveloped man (the newcomer), and he/she will
behave in accordance with this. The first teacher does not make life easier,
in most cases, for the generality of disciples. He/She will teach them
things, which are only of use when the second teacher arrives and reality
falls into place. The object of this is twofold. In the first place, certain
valuable thoughts have been given to the disciples. In the second, they are
tested by the means of these ideas. Just as our western psychologists give
odd-shaped pieces of wood to people, to see how they put them together,
teachers of Wisdom will give odd-pieces of material of - mental kind - to
his/her followers. - If they try to fit these together however, and to make
a pattern in his/hers - absences, - they are becoming 'fossilised'. Because,
the Wisdom tradition has to show that the object of mankind is not to
construct idols, but to follow a supreme pattern, which is learnt piece by
piece.

Quite obviously the semi-blind among the people, during their
'waiting-period', will try to work out their own interpretation. They may,
as have been done in the past, write books to explain what they have
learned. This is the danger-point, because when a man/woman is accepted as,
say, a philosopher (of wisdom) because she/he has written a book explaining
a philosophy, he/she will not readily accept, that she/he only have been
'fumbling'. He/She has quite possibly become a prisoner of his/hers lower
self. The self-conceit of the man/woman is now bound up with his/hers
'creation', the book or the method, which he/she has used to organise the
fragments, which he/she has. He/she is probably or possibly lost - for the
cause.
In order to break through this shell of accretions and fossilisations,
the - second teacher - will tend to act in a different, perhaps in a certain
dramatically different manner, from the original one. This could happen, to
break the 'idols', which have been formed out of the thoughts, which were
originally given.
So very important: The use of ideas is to shape a man or woman, not to
support a system - which is viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in
which the Wisdom Tradition is 'living', and not just the perpetuations of
ideas and movements. This seems important to understand and know about.

When a system of teaching of wisdom is in a period of fallowness, because
the one who propagated it is dead, then there comes a period of stagnation.
This period can last between 10 years, 15 years or more. In the time, which
passes, the group of people who is affected by the system are sieved by
natural means. Some wander away. Others carry on automatically not really
knowing, what they are doing. They are now 'frozen', though they do not know
they are.
The blind may try to lead the blinder. This takes the form of assumption of
authority by those who were given some sort of authority in the original
mandate. These are the people in the most dangerous position, because the
longer they remain 'orphaned' the more strongly their lower self (or the
three lower bodies) asserts it self.
Others may modify the teachings in a learned and personal way. Some
certainly fall a prey to cults, which have come into being in order to serve
them. The people who joins these are at great pains to explain why they
consider, that they represent the same kind of teaching - and this is
important. It is important, because it shows the Theosophist or the real
spiritually minded, very clearly, that the people who try to explain - are
in fact troubled by conscience. Somewhere inside them, they know, that they
are identifying themselves with an imitation, or a second-best. But they are
supported by their lower bodies or lower personality, - and this is too
strong for them.
Those can be helped by being lead to think in new thinking-patterns and
systems. It is via the conscience, that one finds the path forward, -
thereby will be able to remove the limitations of the lower personality.

Imagine a group of people shipwrecked. They think there is no hope of
rescue. They find a raft, and are glad. After a time more people come along
in a big boat. But the first people will not leave the raft, because they
have become used to it. They may have convinced themselves, that it is
actually a boat. (So it is to some philosophical or religious people today.)
The points at which the mystical traditions, which are still alive, are in
contact with each other cannot really be explained by the means of books.
And yet people continue to write books showing how they have found this and
that point of resemblance.
The truth can only be found by actual experience, - and easier by awareness
on such aspect as I have touch upon.

To sink ecstasy in Wisdom is better than to sink Wisdom in ecstasy. The
Wisdom Tradition teaches by several different systems, and not only by
one, - one book or teen books, BUT also by thousands and thousands of
books - and the dogmatic ones doesn't want to listen. "


----- Original Message -----
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Roerich against Bailey...!? NEW ?


> Wiith reference to the differences between the teachings of HPB and AAB,
You
> might also refer to the following article:
> http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/HPBvsAB.html
>
> In a message dated 10/06/02 5:01:11 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk
writes:
>
> >Hi Suzanne and all of you,
> >
> >Thanks for your kind words.
> >
> >I did have a problem with the last part of your letter.
> >Suzanne wrote:
> >"In my mind, there is very little conflict between HPB and AAB, both
> >of their "systems" of thinking are striving to reach the same goal,
> >but are using slightly different paths."
> >
> >My view:
> >It is allright, that this view is yours, but I have to say, that to me
> >it is clearly not a 'very little conflict' when we talk in
> >general terms , - although everything is relative. You see it is so
> >, that some are reading Alice A. Baileys books like they stem from
> >evil forces. And because that kind of reading and interpretation are -
> >relatively easy and possible - there really is a conflict there,
> >on certain levels, also theosophically speaking. No doubt there.
> >
> >I can suggest those who are interested in the issue
> >H. P. Blavatsky versus Alice A. Bailey to read some of the very
interesting
> >articles and links at
> >http://www.esotericastrologer.org/AABHPBHR.htm (author Philip Lindsay)
> >The friendly fellow has posted an article of mine with my until now
official
> >view on the matter.
> >
>
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