Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00026)

Hi all of you,

I recently got an email from the author of the following website.
There are some interesting articles there on comparative theosophical studies , which could have your interest.

http://www.esotericastrologer.org/AABHPBHR2.htm#HRAAB

A view:
Comparative studies should maybe be done more often in Theosophical circles.
And no one should put anyone down because they don't follow the majority ina group or a Theosphical Society.
Wisdom teaching is wisdom teaching; - as long as the theosophical aspirantmean no harm everyhting is all right.
Fear and power struggles in Theosophical groups and organizations should not be considered the PATH forward.
That which is important is the relations among people, and that one is showing others how to be an example - a theosophical example on wisdom and compassion.
The group leaders fears for others hidden agendas or their raise in importance, --- I think more often than not lead theosophical organizations to split apart.
Of course that is not the only reason.

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What about this excerpt from the above link ? :

Helena Roerich's Letters About Alice Bailey
Helena Roerich, Morya's messenger for the Agni Yoga series of books, was noless prone to the anti AAB stance of the theosophists. As a student of theosophy she must have been privy to the politics of the day and influenced by TS attitudes to a certain degree.

There may have also been some sort of personal spiritual rivalry that she felt with AAB. Several statements in her unpublished letters discourage students from AAB. These letters have recently come to light during a three-week discussion in an online Agni Yoga forum in August/September 2002.
Translations below were made by three different translators - members of Sangha Forum in 2002. Some of the English is imperfect and a little stilted, yet it is comprehensible. (Bolding by editor)

"Alice Bailey visited today N.K. [Roerich]. She told about cooperation and that all great men have to meet in our House." [Z.G.Fosdik, «My Teachers.Meetings with Roerichs », 25.11.29, p. 537]

"Then H.I., recounted what M. told about book by Ms. Bailey ["Initiation Human and Solar"], which H.I. recently bought, because she told about Mastersand that allegedly one Master was educated in University in England and the other one knows better about all planets. H.I. was indignant at this [statement] and M. told them that "nobody is promised to know about White Brotherhood, I verily told you, rather Shafran [S.M. Shafran, a mother of Z.G. Fosdik, who had ability to clairvoyance] will see than Bailey".[Z.G.Fosdik, «My Teachers. Meetings with Roerichs », 3.3.23, p. 168]

The following letter (23 August 1934) was published in "Letters of Helena Roerich" book in 2nd vol., but without the included fragment:

"Many naive people believe, that the dark forces work only with evil, debauch and crimes. How they are mistaken. So the rough forces and forces of small degrees work only. Much more dangerous are those who comes under a mask of light of the Teaching.You already know such example. In America there isa very extensive society, and the head of it receives the doctrine from the teacher, which does not open his name, naming himself by the Tibetan Brother. We know, who disappears under this pseudonym. The force of him is great. And purpose of this teacher, personificates as though a Teacher of the White Brotherhood, is to attract in his staff so many as possible of the good and useful people, which otherwise could help effectively to the Great Plan of Masters, Plan of rescue of a planet.

And these unfortunate ones, not having true recognition of fires of heart, fly as mothes on black fire that turns them to ashes. Ignorance, lack of sense-knowledge pushes them in embraces of darkness and deprives for a long time, if not for ever, salutary influence and attraction of Beams of a GreatStronghold of Light. Armageddon is terrible, you see the forces of darkness struggling for their existence, the despair makes them so rallied and persistent in achievement of their purpose. Prince of the World has a lot of talented, conscious and unconscious accomplices, and it is naive to think, that they are not able to work delicate. They are very refined and inventiveand work on consciousness of the victims. But all of them are deprived of heat of heart. I have books of this Tibetan Teacher, they are dry up extremely. One book is called as "White Magic". To me is told, that the best pages are borrowed from the Doctrine of a White Brotherhood. It is interesting to note, that the head of this society for the greater prestige and attracting of the supporters of our books recommends them to their members and hasfounded classes for study of Agni Yoga books. So is bound the darkness with Light on the Earth." (The Letters of Helena Roerich. 1932-1955. p. 54. Novosibirsk, "Viko" & "Algim", 1993. Written 23.08.1934) [Back to Astrological Analysis]

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And that is that...or is it ?
I wonder what the Robert Müller School's has on that one in the above?
(They hold as I understand it both Bailey and Roerich important !)

Me ? I agree, that Alice A. Bailey is - well sometimes - (i.e. sometimes) - 'far out', when we are talking about 
REAL wisdom teaching !
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"Then H.I., recounted what M. told about book by Ms. Bailey ["Initiation Human and Solar"], which H.I. recently bought, because she told about Mastersand that allegedly one Master was educated in University in England and the other one knows better about all planets. H.I. was indignant at this [statement] and M. told them that "nobody is promised to know about White Brotherhood, I verily told you, rather Shafran [S.M. Shafran, a mother of Z.G. Fosdik, who had ability to clairvoyance] will see than Bailey".[Z.G.Fosdik, «My Teachers. Meetings with Roerichs », 3.3.23, p. 168]
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My little modest view:
But let us cull the good we find in each - book of wisdom teaching.
And if the particular book hasn't anything at all to offer our own little SELF, then let us reject it.
But let us not just like that go around and say, that others shouldn't readit, because it gives our own little selves a headeache. Becuase that COULDbe wrong ! But other times it is not wrong. 
Ignorance doesn't make you a MASTER !

We could say: One book or article by this author is good for you where you are now on the path,... AND another one by another author is good for someone else for the time being at least. 
Later,... well later (as time goes by) we sometimes changes our minds, and... other times certainly not.
But most times we changes our conciousness and walk the PATH or transforms...
Rethink that if you want to learn.

To me the real base is HPB's writings, but that is not to imply, that my real base isn't Idries Shah's, when that is proper, or The Bhagavad Gita, when time comes. It all depends on what the needs are at present.
I have not only one author to consider, but a hole number of them, and Alice A. Bailey And Helena Roerich are included.
But, I don't and won't, in my inner being, follow them as any kind of Bibles - dead-letter OR not - and all.
It is the living spirit of the wisdom teaching, that I follow, - the Path of the Masters and the Avatars.
I cull the good I find in each. Some books I won't recommend any on this list to read. 
On another list, they will be great, viewed from a standpoint of wisdom !


(Allow me two questions: Why does the Middle East NOT have a - permanent - member in the UN Security Counsil ? What er the consequences of this ?))

from
Sufilight with love...and also peace...


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