Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00025)

Oct 4 2002

Dear Friend:

As far as I know and as far as common sense says:

Unless the person shows some deep familiarity with THEOSOPHY
the claim is only superficial and invalid. Talk is cheep.

The main criterion is KNOWLEDGE. Do they know THEOSOPHY or
not ?

H P B was never racist. Theosophy says the SPIRIT/SOUL or
Ego is of no sex and of no race. It is truly an "immortal
Pilgrim."

Claiming to be reincarnated H P B adds no depth or stature
to the claim. The proof is in the nature of what is taught
and said -- its inherent logic.

Best wishes,

Dallas

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: WayOutWesley [mailto:wayoutwesley@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:33 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: Claims to be a reincarnation of
H.P.B.

--- In theos-talk@y..., <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Oct 3 2002
>
> Dear Friend:
>
> Claiming to be a reincarnation of H P B
>
>
> Whose authority are we to believe in?
>
> Theosophical history records a number of persons have
tried
> to do this. But they were proved inept imposters and
> unsuccessful because of their ignorance of the matters
that
> H P B taught.
>
> One has to KNOW what Theosophy teaches to be able to
decide
> that, and knowing takes personal effort and application.
> "Authorities" are always suspect.
>
> What does Theosophy teach?
>
> 1. The immortality of all spirit/souls. We are all
> brothers together.
>
> 2. The total perfectibility of all beings over a long
> course of education during which each educates himself in
> the ways of brotherhood.
>
> 3. As brother immortal pilgrims through the devious
> pathways of life we need to locate those virtues that
> indicate wisdom, and this includes the service of all
> others, and therefore personal unselfishness and a
> perception of truth, wherever found.
>
> 4. Good or bad actions, thoughts, feelings impress Nature
> (which is universally sensitive) all around us, with our
> excellence or our deficiencies. Accordingly Nature reacts
> on us. Its mandate is to train all intelligent beings to
> act as brothers.
>
> 5. The action of Nature is called Karma (an equal
reaction
> follows every action) In this, Nature acts to show us (by
> placing us in the same circumstances) the exact result of
> everything we think, feel or do. It is impersonal and
> impartial and utterly exact and true.
>
> 6. The Human spirit/soul is immortal, and uses many
bodies
> in this quest for final perfection Reincarnation is the
> name given to that process.
>
> 7. The final perfection for human spirit/souls is
WISDOM --
> a perception of all the beings and laws in nature, and an
> understanding of the exact nature of their condition and
> needs. Perfects Men exist now and assist all sincere
> seekers for TRUTH.
>
>
> The main point is: Do they who make claims, have the
> knowledge that H P B displayed?
>
>
> The only proof of being "H P B" is to be found in their
> deportment. H P B did not claim to be a reincarnation of
> some earlier sage. Claims are easy to make. The proof
> relative to any claim is its actuality in practice and
> clarity of demonstration.
>
> Those who seek short-cuts, and do not think and search for
> themselves, are most likely too be swept up in
> wonder-seeking and wonder-believing. They seek among
other
> things, personal power (to be used to dominate over others
> or over circumstances). They seek fame or notoriety.
They
> are greedy to be "recognized."
>
> H P B never desired personal followers. She desired all
to
> study and to find out for themselves whether the doctrines
> and teachings of Theosophy were valid. She declared that
> personal advancement was only to be attained through
service
> to others. To be able to serve without selfish motives is
> the ideal, and for this each servitor to be absolutely
> harmless to others, and to attain as a requirement, the
> highest knowledge. The truly great Prophets, and Masters
of
> Wisdom say that they are the Servers of Humanity.
>
> H P B came to bring a "message" from the Lodge of the WISE
> MEN OF THE PAST. Great names and personages belong to
that
> Lodge: Buddha, Krishna, Christ, Hermes, Plato, Manco
Capac,
> Pythagoras, Lao Tze, Confucius, Zoroaster, Paracelsus,
Pico
> della Mirandola, Thomas Vaughn, Boehme, St. Germain, and
> dozens of others. They are not "dead!" They are alive
and
> working in the world now, without making any claims at
all.
> Wherever the general good of humanity is being supported,
we
> may say, there we have evidence of Their Work.
>
> She showed that Their wisdom was evidently from a common
> source. It is to be traced everywhere in the past -- in
> every nation and every continent. It, (wisdom) belongs to
> no one. It is common to all. Consequently, all they
> brought to our attention, was/is its existence, and the
fact
> that some men had/have been able to Master it by intense
> study and self-discipline.
>
> The opportunity to make of our present lives a profound
and
> meaningful learning experience is in our hands, and it
takes
> determination and a clear mind, unprejudiced in all
> respects, tolerant and unselfish, to perceive it and then
to
> study the teachings of these great individuals and
> demonstrate to ourselves their validity -- we, each of us,
> have to find it for ourselves. Truth is universal, and is
> to be recognized by the verities and virtues it extols. It
> is everyone's property.
>
> "Believing in another" does not relieve us of
> responsibility. Our choices take us where we desire to
go,
> but, note -- desire alone does not mean SPIRITUALITY in
its
> highest sense. To be spiritual in living is what Jesus
> taught to the Jews (he lost sheep of the House of Israel).
> and so did the Buddha and Krishna to the Hindus, and Lao
Tze
> and Confucius to China. But do the modern adherents to
any
> religion truly follow the injunctions of their prophets?
If
> not, why not ?
>
> I hoe this view, which is my own and derived from my study
> of theosophy will be of help.
>
> If you wish to know what H P B taught -- her version of
what
> Theosophy teaches then go directly to a brief outline --
get
> a copy of H P B's KEY TO THEOSOPHY . It is available
> through http://www.blavatsky.net .
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
>
>
Thanks for your kind reply.

I worry that this person doesn't cast H.P.B in the best of
lights...
Talking of jews in a negative way and using the idea of root
races to
promote a type of social darwinism.

Science has proven that all races living today are the same
homo
sapiens sapiens. There is no cognitive or intellectual
disparity
between them. Blacks and Jews aren't remnants of a lower
evolutionary rung.

Is this what H.P.B. had in mind when she was talking about
evolutionary cycles? Did she look upon Jews and Blacks as
less
developed brothers and sisters in this particular
evolutionary
cycle? Or was she too a product of her culture and
environment?

I know she said that all souls go through all the
stages...so that
there is no intrinsic difference between them
ultimately....but some
people use her words to promote a type of racial hierarchy
in our
present frame.

I know that almost everyone has lopsided development...and
have
area's to work on. Cultures too, are lopsided. I was just
wondering
if perhaps Madame Blavatsky might also have had some little
bit of
that? Did she have some kind of karma thing with the Jewish
people?

What's even more ironic about this....is that this person
claiming to
be the reincarnation of H.P.B. also claims to be an african
american.

Would this have any bearing upon her claim?






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