Theos-Talk Archives (August 2002 Message tt00110)

Hello Ruben,

This is an interesting subject you introduce here, especially in 
these confusing times and on many different levels. 

First I think a definition is in order. For me it would be something 
along the lines of: ANY ACTION OR SERIES OF ACTIONS THAT WOULD LEAD 
AN INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS TO KNOWINGLY AND IREVOCABLY 
PARTICIPATE IN THEIR OWN DEMISE.

That said, I would suggest two points for reflection and 
consideration. First, using the above definition, I suggest that the 
JESUS of the gospel stories, commited suicide. Given his cultural 
awareness of the times in which he lived, he surley KNEW the 
consequense of the public positions he took in the last three years 
of his life. Given the opportunities he was given to recant and save 
his life, he chose, NOT to revoke any of his statements that led him 
to his curren dilemma. Hence, his actions led him to participating in 
his own demise.

The second important point related to this subject, is that of 
sacrafice. Can one actually make a sacrafice without knowingly 
participating in the actions that lead to it. I suggest that if one 
does not fully understand what one is doing or is not enlightened 
enough to understand the whole notion of sacrafice, then it cannot be 
a sacrafice. 

Laying down ones own life to save another, seems to me to be both, 
SUICIDE and A SACRAFICE.

Louis  









--- In theos-talk@y..., lorelei varin de garzon <loreleirm@y...> 
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> 12 august 2002 - Arlington VA
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> My name is Ruben, firts time I present some comment on the Theo-
talk.
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> Today, I would like to expose some comments on the subject of 
suicide.
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> I have read some of the article of the theosphical society and Miss 
Blavatsky.
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> But I'm still not convinced about the wise position to adopt about 
Suicide. In almost all the comment on the matter, I understand that 
to commit suicide is a sin, and the person who kill himself would 
have to assume the responsabilities of his own death in the next life 
with more difficulties (If I'm wrong, please tell me). 
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> Well, as my opinion, there is something incorrect about these 
judgments. It seems that we forget one quality important: The 
compassion for sick souls.
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> I dont think there is any punishment at all. The only punishment 
will come frome the oun soul. People with Schizophrenia for example 
are living in a vicious mind in which they are turning around and 
around and around without find any solution. Horrible disturbance of 
the mind in wich a soul is completely lost. Someone with these kind 
of illness will never see the light, life after life, if he has to 
assume his suicide.
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> I've heard of a story that people like the Esquimo (who live in the 
Groenland Island) accept the notion of suicide in the case that a 
person is unsatisfied of his life and decide to leave the material 
world. What about The japanese samurai who prartice HaraKiri. And I'm 
pretty sure that many cases of suicide, and suicide collectif can be 
shown in nature.
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> The notion of sin still come from our western culture. People who 
has deep depresion, we used to say that he is passing a hard time but 
if he past through he will feel much better with a superior 
understanding of the meaning of life. The fact is there is thousands 
of people who don't pass through and find the experience so 
unbearable that death is the only acceptable solution. I think 
Suicide is part of the process of knowledge. It can probably called a 
mistake but our path for a spiritual evolution always happens because 
of mistake.
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> Well, I hope I will receive some answer about these subject. Please 
to excuse my errors of writting english, it's not my native language. 
Thanks.
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> RUBEN
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