Theos-Talk Archives (July 2002 Message tt00049)

> 
> There was no Richard Heydrich. The SD was headed by
> Reinhard Heydrich. 

Yes, that's the guy. Thanks for catching my historical mistake and
correcting it. Heydrich was the head of the SD until the formation of the
RSHA and then was promoted to head that entire organization. He chaired
the Wanesee Conference and was assassinated following the Lidice
Massacre. I believe Kaltenbrunner took his place. 

Also, SD stands for Security
> Service, not Intelligence Department. Foreign
> intelligence was one of their many functions, though.

That's correct. It had two departments within the RSHA, one foreign and
one internal. The CIA has other functions besides intellegence gathering
also but be bascially think of it in intelligence terms I was giving a
functional term rather than a direct transliteration of 
Sicherheitsdienst (SD)

> 
> > 2-While the Third Reich was clearly a tyranny and
> > the US is a republic,
> > there a analogs to these various German groups
> 
> Nazi Germany was a republic just as the US is, despite
> the "reich" misnomer in its legal title.

Here I would have to disagree. true, German was a republic in the Weimar
Era and Hitler came to power by manipulating that government, but just as
Rome was transformed into an empire from its republic as was France under
Napolean, so was Germany under Hitler. In a republic, the states retain a
portion of sovereignty. The Lander had such, but Hitler dissolved them
and made them mear administrative departments of the central Reich, just
as Napolean did to the old French provences. He also outlawed political
parties other than the National Socialists. He also had all Germans swear
allegiance to him personally as Fuhrer. I believe that by this time the
republic was dead. 
> 
> > The SD relates to the CIA, while the
> > Gestapo is equivilant to
> > the FBI.
> 
> I hope not., I would hate to think the FBI has
> started torturing people, instead of having the
> Syrians and Filipinos do it for them.

Yes, but what of Ruby Ridge and Waco? Actually. I was not saying they are
similar in actual operations, just that the basic purpose was similar.
> 
> Interestingly, Alan Dershowitz, noting that the most
> notorious terrorists are currently Muslims, advocates
> the legalization of torture. I was disappointed by
> that, since I have always admired him. He has not
> commented to my knowledge whether he would advocate
> torturing Jewish Defense League members or captured
> Mossad terrorists or whether it should apply to only
> Muslims. I think he should do a G. Gordon Liddy and
> hold his hand over a burning flame for a few minutes
> then decide whether torture really is a justifiable
> strategy
> 
> > If a little (in size) nation such
> > as Israel can't stop
> > the almost daily terrorist attacks, how can we? 
> 
> We tell the FBI to stop drinking coffee and writing
> memos and get with it, that's how. Then we look for
> someone to blame if they screw up.
> 
> > 
> > 4-In our individual lives, we also look for security
> > in part. But it is
> > never really there.
> 
> It is for me. I found it one day in my closet. And
> to think I had forgotten I even put it there.
> 
> > What can we do to overcome this?
> 
> Sell everything you have and give to the poor, namely
> me.
> 
> 
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