Theos-Talk Archives (July 2002 Message tt00031)

In a message dated 06/28/02 12:40:14 PM, dhyana@web.de writes:

>What is that for a question?
>And why he was a psychopath?

Because his actions were those of a homicidal maniac. 

>To which para you refer in the book exactly?

Can't remember, since I read translations of the book my father showed me in 
1942 before I enlisted in the US Army Air Force. Later, around the time of 
the invasion and occupation of Germany, I was in Military Intelligence as a 
Communication Specialist and had access to many records of the SS and other 
high level command documents signed by Hitler and other high level Nazi mucky 
mucks. I also helped collect much of the concentration camp photographic 
evidence used in the nuremberg trials and published in the American 
newspapers. Not being a historian, and under strict military security 
orders, I had no reason to keep any references to specific information I read 
or overheard, some of which are still under security wraps. In any event, I 
know what I know first hand about Hitler's anti-Semitism and psychopathology. 
You can also go to this site and find out for yourself what Hitler thought 
about Jews in Mein Kampf. I'm sure you are also well aware of his other 
sociopathic "racist" and distorted evolutionary theories. 
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERantisemitism.htm

>And Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin were healthy people?

Compared to Hitler, some of them were saints. Your obvious defense of Adolf 
Hitler's murderous pathology and anti-Semitism by making this implicative 
remark is a clear example of typical racist biases and prejudices, and 
exposes your use of Neo-Nazi-like propaganda techniques in your arguments. 
Also comparing the murderous dictator Stalin with Churchill and Roosevelt is 
another sign of your propensity to use false analogies, questionable 
references, reliance on so called "authorities," along with specious 
arguments, in defense of your ideas, beliefs and prejudices.

>If I were an orthodox Jew you and a true believer in dead letter ideology
>I may have go to Palestine.

The most "orthodox Jews" are Kabbalists who have no "dead letter ideology" 
since all their fundamental teachings are in oral form, and are, for the 
initiated, practically identical with the esoteric occult teachings of 
theosophy. Of course, there are some so called "orthodox," "conservative," 
and "reformed" Jews who do follow the writings of their "Hebrew Bible" or 
"Old Testament" (not the King James version) -- but even these beliefs are 
most sensitive to the Talmudic laws of compassion and charity for all human 
beings. And, contrary to the Christian Bible, the Hebrew Bible is always 
open to argument and new interpretation. I never met a Jew who didn't accept 
the three fundamental propositions of theosophy and its concurrent 
metaphysics when explained logically and scientifically. Did you ever wonder 
why the Jews who comprise only 1/500 of the human race have won about 1/5 of 
all Nobel prizes? (Is that why so many fanatical Christian chauvinist's hate 
them so much?)

>If I were an assimilated Jew I may have gone to USA.

What is an "assimilated Jew"? The Nazi's made no such distinctions when Jews 
were sent to the slave camps. 

>But in both ways I would not revenge myself on the Palestines and rob their
>land, culture and soul.

That's not what I asked. I assumed you would answer as if you were a 
legitimate Jewish political leader who had to deal with the German offer of 
relocation or annihilation. Twisting the answer so as to imply that all Jews, 
whether assimilated or not, are taking "revenge" on the Palestineans (for 
what?), and are "land, culture and soul" robbers, is a typical response of a 
dyed in the wool anti-Semitic bigot -- who knows nothing of Judaism, its 
culture or its religion -- and still thinks, like most Neo-Nazi's and 
American "skinheads" that the Jews are a "race." 

I'm sure that there are many Jews -- including those Europeans that 
assimilated and became Christians during the Inquisition (and whose ancestors 
have since forgotten their heritage) who deplore the inadvertent damage done 
to the Palestinians (as a result of the long standing German anti-Semitism 
leading to the Nazi forced mass relocation of Jewish concentration camp 
survivors to Palestine). 

So, why blame that problem solely on all Jews in general, many of whom had no 
choice as to where they were forced to live by the German Nazi government 
supported by the sanction of many of its so called "Aryan" citizens who 
collectively welcomed (passively, if not actively) the opd decimated the 
European Jews, the Zionist's would never have had a chance to regain Israel. 
We might also look a bit deeper into the role of the British and their Nazi 
sympathizing Royal Family, along with their followers, who tried to keep the 
Jewish concentration camp refugees out of Palestine when they were isolated 
on Cyprus. (None of this intending to imply that all, or even many German or 
British citizens today are anti-Semitic or Nazi sympathizers.) Accordingly, 
I have no reason to regret my contribution in 1945 (using my concentration 
camp photo records) in helping the Jewish friends of my father obtain 
contributions of over $15 million to purchase ships and guns used to defeat 
the British and transport the concentration camp refugees into Palestine. 

>If you were an knowledgeable Red Indian in USA during the 18.th and 19.th
>Century and knew of the Yankee attitude to eliminate the aboriginales what
>would you have done?
>Frank

That's like comparing apples to oranges. The historical precedents are 
entirely different. The scattered and separately wandering or nomadic Native 
American tribes were not a coherent group of people and knew nothing of land 
ownership, industry, or property rights that came here with the Europeans 
(most of whom were of Christian Anglo Saxon descent). Besides, there was no 
generalized "Yankee attitude to eliminate the aborigines" (as there is no 
general Jewish attitude to "eliminate the Palestinians" that you imply). 

As for the "Red Indian in USA," the English government gave colonists, and 
later, the American government gave its "citizens" the right to "stake out," 
develop, and own unsettled land, and they had no idea that the wandering 
natives had any rights to what each settler assumed was their own hard earned 
"property." Consequently, the clashes (that led to the "Indian Wars") 
between these two opposite types of civilizations, were inevitable. It seems 
that the same sort of thing is now going on in South America, as the 
Brazilians spread their westernized civilization into the Amazon Jungles, 
displacing the aborigines.

Naturally, as an uncivilized Native American, living outside of the European 
based civilization that had overrun my homeland and prevented me from 
continuing my hunter-gatherer life style, I would have taken whatever course 
was necessary to protect my family, my tribe, and their food supply. Were I 
wise enough to understand that I could not effectively resist this 
encroachment by a superior numbered and higher technologically empowered 
force, I would have either assimilated, or moved to Canada -- as many 
practical, if not wise Native Americans did. (From a theosophical point of 
view, the wise ones would have recognized that their evolutionary cycle as a 
race was ending and that they were destined to live out their lives until 
their reincarnation in their next sub-racial cycle, as their karma dictated.)

Unfortunately, there are no simple answers as to where the blame lies for the 
inadvertent clashes of disparate civilizations that for various reasons -- 
from man's inhumanity to man, pogroms, and persecutions, to the vagaries of 
Natural disasters and evolutionary processes -- are forced to migrate from 
one land to another from time to time. What they have to face and respond to 
from their own group karma is not for us to decide nor to place any blame... 
(Although, there's nothing wrong with impartially examining the causes and 
effects for the sake of pure knowledge -- without prejudice or reliance on 
second hand hearsay opinions -- especially from those with political or 
philosophical axes to grind.) 

LHM 

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>----- Original Message -----
>From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
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>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:08 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Sharpshooting Scholars...
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>
>Frank, if you were a knowledgeable and politically minded Jew in Germany
>during the 1930's, and knew of Hitler's psychopathic threat (Ref: Mein
>Kampf,
>and his other political diatribes) to eliminate the Jews from Germany with
>the possibility of "final solution" extermination -- and was offered the
>chance by the Nazi's to relocate threatened Jewish families to Palestine
>--
>what would you have done to cooperate with them?
>It's amazing how Hitler's modern day apologists use their selective
>historical research to make the Jews out to be the villians in one of the
>most heineous crimes of planned genocide the world has ever seen.
>
>LHM
>