Theos-Talk Archives (July 2002 Message tt00023)

>My take on history was that the whole thing was rather
>complex. First there was the anarchist revolt against
>the Czar, then the disaffection of the Russian army

Right. The Socialists were paid by the Rothschilds as HPB explains. They
also paid Marx and Hitler.

>The people who benefitted were the Wilhelm government
>in Berlin, since they pacified their eastern front and
>acquired significant land from the deal with Lenin

One could say (I do it not) you are speaking like a Nazi as that was
actually the rationale for the Nazis to persecute the Jews as Wilhelm has
had many Jews in top positions and it is said that it was they who made the
plot. Wilhelm later affirmed that form his Holland exile.
But the fact that Lenin was helped by the Jews in Wilhelms administration
and by Ludendorff whom Hitler accused publicly to be a member of a Masonic
Lodge does not contradict HPB's statement that the Jews paid and ruled the
socialistic movement in Russia and Germany.

>nicer head of hair.) So if I followed the money I
>would say the Kaiser had a hand in it. Is that what
>you are getting at?

Agreed. The Kaiser, or rather his Jewish councellors and secretaries and
Ludendorff had a hand in it. But Rothschild in New York was the master
player in that plot.

>>Frank: "And who installed the Nazis in Germany?

>German politicians. He did not have a majority in the
>Rsichstag when he was installed chancellor.

And no one in the USA has had anything to do with it? No one in New York who
gave Hitler the money?

>Are you talking about the Dawes plan? Hitler

No. I am talking about the payment Hitler and his party get from New York
bankers, I am not talking about what the land or the government get back. As
Germany as the victim had to pay to the winners the land was bankrupt mid
1920's and the Dawes plan was an idea to give Germany a part of its stolen
money back for fair rates.
The Prussian officials have had documents about 150 million Reichmark the
Nazi party got from NY bankers, it would today perhaps be $1 billiard or so.
When Hitler was installed - and it was an installment - with the help of a
foreign country the insiders who knew who paid Hitler and who installed him
had to flee to Switzerland. Of course the Nazis searched them and some were
assassinated.
But the Abegg files were duplicated and survived, but are ignored by offical
historians as with this information the whole cardhouse a official history
would break.

End of 1932 the situations was very bad. He was out of money, in the last
polls he has lost many voters, in the last alone over 2 million voters and
the Prussian goverment was persecuting him because of launching a plot.
So it was high time to install him or the point of no return was soon over.
Had the Prussian goverment imprisoned him as they were in attempt to do he
would be away for many many years and not only for some months as in the
gamey former Bavarian imprisonment.
So on Jan. 4, 1933 the deciding meeting happened: Hitler met with von Papen,
the pro Israel banker Schroeder (agent of the Warburg clan) and John Foster
Dulles, who became later US foreign secretary and his brother Alles became
chief of the CIA. Dulles was paying also the fascist movement in Italy and
became chief lawyer of the IG Farben.
On Jan. 30, Hitler was installed and all people who knew of this meeting and
other details of his hidden masters were killed, among them Otto Strasser in
the night of the long knives 6/30 1934.

In 1945 on the Potsdam conference Prussia was officiall slaughtered as the
war aims were reached with Hitler's help. In the Nuremburg trials - one of
the biggest hoaxes and crimes on Humanity - only second and third line
people and innocents were sentenced and all the insiders who knew more about
the Jewish-Nazi cooperation were hanged. Gestapo chief Mueller and others
were going to USA to work for Truman. So, actually the policy before, during
and after the war has never changed.

And no mention is made today of the men in the Prussian government who tried
to stop the plot. In no resistance festival they are mentioned. By the way,
it was as early as in 1921 when Hitler in his young party was alleged to be
an agent of Jewish organziations. All those people died.

>I don't want to sound like a party pooper, but if your
>source cannot come up with an archive or manuscript
>number I would tend to wonder if he is being truthful.

Do think I ran around the world through all public archives to check whether
the documents are there?
If you cannto accept any information which has no archive number I wonder
f.e. whether you accept the Holocaust as many if not most of the facts which
are commonly be accpted by average historians and in school book are not
documented.
I don't know what was going on with the Abegg files. All people who knew
about it were killed by Hitler and after 1945 by the Amercians and/or Jews.

>There were anyway all sorts of conspiracy theories in
>Germany in the twenties involving bankers. That does
>not mean they were true.

But it does also not mean they were untrue. HPB supports that idea. And for
example the Rothshild cheque to Marx (who wrote an article on the Jews who
would today be considered as Nazi) is in the possession of the British
Museum in London.
But I have no archive number.


>> General Motors or Ford sold
>>many military invironments to Hitler's Germany, at
>>least up to 1942.

>There was a theory at one time that if countries
>became intertwined by economic ties the threat of war
>would be greatly reduced. That theory did not play
>out in practice.

The weapons you sell to Germany the more peace you have in Germany?
Strange US logic! No wonder, that we have had over 200 wars since 1945.
But I hope at least the New York shareholders are satisfied.

>True that some SS intelligence people were employed
>after the war, but I am skeptical that Mueller built
>the CIA or even survived the conflict. It is also
>extremely unlikely that he would have been employed at
>such a high level in such a secretive agency. He was
>pushed out of the way when Himmler took over the
>Gestapo from the Interior Ministry and incorporated it
>into the SS, and that was long before the war started.

Rofl. Check your sources. Every one knows that Mueller lived at least up to
1945. Himmler made Mueller Gestapo chief and he was it until 1945. Every
oligarchy historians affirms you that fact. I never heard the idiotic ida
that Himmler pushed Mueller away. Perhaps you intermix him with Schellenberg
who worked for the enemy.
And the SS as a party organization was incoporated into the
Reichssicherheitshauptamt and not vice versa. Why should a government
incorporate its biggest administration with 50,000 or more coworkers into a
party organizations? And that during a war?
There are Americans and Germans who met and talked with Mueller in the
1960's, for example in South Africa, and he looked very alive. Author
Gregory Douglas who published up to know four books on the US Mueller files
(the books are banned in Germany, which means that they are true) also met
him and he published a nice mid 1960's photo from him.
Seems you are lacking from basic information on the case and that makes it
not easy to go beyond official lines.
If one is satisfied with the official versions, why not watch CNN and be
happy?

>Then you must agree that the existence of such a
>sector served your interest, which means you must
>think it was in your interest that the westward
>expansion of the Soviet empire was halted by the
>postwar security arrangements. After 1952 Germany

Really? And me thought that Eisenhower stopped the US army for over a month
in Italy and nevertheless the US army was in Saxony before the Red Army.
Later they exchanged the West part of Berlin with the GDR territory. Seems
rather they supported the expansion of the Soviets...
Frank