Theos-Talk Archives (July 2002 Message tt00009)

Frank: "Who installed the Bolshevists in SU?

My take on history was that the whole thing was rather
complex. First there was the anarchist revolt against
the Czar, then the disaffection of the Russian army
against the mishandling of the war, then the Kerensky
government, then the naval revolt, then Lenin (not to
be confused with John Lennon) returning from exile in
Switzerland, then the peace deal with Germany, etc. 
The people who benefitted were the Wilhelm government
in Berlin, since they pacified their eastern front and
acquired significant land from the deal with Lenin
(again not to be confused with John Lennon, who had a
nicer head of hair.) So if I followed the money I
would say the Kaiser had a hand in it. Is that what
you are getting at?

Frank: "And who installed the Nazis in Germany?

German politicians. He did not have a majority in the
Rsichstag when he was installed chancellor.

Frank: "If you find the answer then there is no
inconsistency anymore, only logic.

Maybe so, but I do not see it yet.

Frank: "The Prussian secretary of the Interior of the
1920's was collecting a huge bulk of information about
the Hitler gang and who paid them. His files had many
primary sources saying it was the Rothschild bank in
New York.

Are you talking about the Dawes plan? Hitler
threatened to hang anyone who voted for that once he
took power. It carried anyway in a plebiscite and
rescued the German economy from the runaway inflation
of the early twenties. Unfortunately, the Wall Street
crash of 1929 pulled the underpinning out from the
German economy, but they did have better times from
1925 to 1929, By 1931 the German economy was again
recovering and Nazi strength in the polls declining.

Frank: "After 1945 this files were last time seem in
Switzerland and are now declared as missing.

I don't want to sound like a party pooper, but if your
source cannot come up with an archive or manuscript
number I would tend to wonder if he is being truthful.
There were anyway all sorts of conspiracy theories in
Germany in the twenties involving bankers. That does
not mean they were true.

Frank: "US companies like General Motors or Ford sold
many military invironments to Hitler's Germany, at
least up to 1942.

There was a theory at one time that if countries
became intertwined by economic ties the threat of war
would be greatly reduced. That theory did not play
out in practice.

Frank: "After 1945 the German elite was brought to USA
to work there, among them Gestapo chief Mueller, who
rebuilt the OSS to the CIA in 1948.

True that some SS intelligence people were employed
after the war, but I am skeptical that Mueller built
the CIA or even survived the conflict. It is also
extremely unlikely that he would have been employed at
such a high level in such a secretive agency. He was
pushed out of the way when Himmler took over the
Gestapo from the Interior Ministry and incorporated it
into the SS, and that was long before the war started.
After that he was pretty much a nonentity. Ditto
with his boss Goering, who was marginalized more and
more as time wore on. He ended up on heroin, was
almost assassinated by the SS, etc. According to the
memoir of Hans Gisevius, entitled TO THE BITTER END,
Mueller's own men were constantly trying to
assassinate him while he still had power. He left the
office every night walking warily down the back
stairs, his back to the wall and a loaded pistol in
his hand. Being Gestapo chief was a real bitch of a
job.

Frank: "It was far better to live in the American
sector as in the Soviet one.

Then you must agree that the existence of such a
sector served your interest, which means you must
think it was in your interest that the westward
expansion of the Soviet empire was halted by the
postwar security arrangements. After 1952 Germany
played an important role in those very arrangements,
although they had the geographical misfortune of being
on the front line of any battle that might break out. 
With the development of ICBMs the entire western world
became a front line.


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