Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00012)

June 2 2002


Dear M and Friends:


Blind faith or belief in any persona is fatal.

Persons usually have some biases. Rare is it to find one who is so
honest that they disclaim any authority at all. Run away from any one
who says to you : TRUST ME.

Religious bodies that demand faith and blind belief and trust -- what
are they really saying? They state they will rule your lives, keep
you ignorant and unhappy and without any trace of reasonable return
for your "faith." They cannot demonstrate or prove any of the
so-called rewards that they speak of and advertise. Who has seen
Paradise? who has been to any hell worse than some we find on earth?
Who has seen the JUSTICE OF GOD or stood face to face with HIM?

And why not -- if HE is everywhere, then it is HIM (in you and me) who
face HIM in every other place I, or we, may look.

Putting one's trust in a philosophy, or a science, or logic, or maths,
that one (or any one) has proved repeatedly to be fair and
impartial -- is quite another matter.

In theosophy we work together to find the truth of things. We believe
NOTHING. We ask for demonstrations and proofs. We don't seek for
people to agree with us, but rather for them to follow the lines of
common sense and learn to seek for the causes and the reasons for
things as they are now found -- starting with the basic questions:
Who am I? What am here to do? where can I go ?

Also we try to be absolutely impersonal in what we offer.

Each student has to do his own seeking and proving. It takes a
God-Man to do a Man's job.

Best wishes,

Dal.

Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:05 AM
To:
Subject: re Gerald's "great faith and devotion"

Gerald wrote: <<A relationship with a guru will not work if it is on
an equal basis. The chela has to believe in the guru totally. One
needs
great faith and devotion to change one's worldview. The relationship
cannot be simply Manasic, which cannot work.>>

As I tend to see it, the sense in which there might be "great faith"
in
some "inner/outer" (apparent self/not-self/esoteric/exoteric)
counseling
or "experiential processesing" or "guruic processesing" is key in any
consideration re the validity/applicability of such as implied/stated
in
the preceding paragraph; or, re the validity/applicability of such as
the preceding might or might not be seen to involve r/Relevance in
terms
that might or might not be seen to "r/Relevantly transcend exoterics"
.
. . (the nature of one's sense of "r/Relevance" being
"individualistic," relating to "higher self," karma, kama, manas, and
various influences, and so might often not be particularly apparent to
others).

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