Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00011)

June 3 2002

Dear Larry:

Let me see what Theosophy has to say about these, so I'll use The
SECRET DOCTRINE

But in looking up ADAM (and inquisitive EVE) in The SECRET DOCTRINE, I
found that there are several ADAMS -- it seems to be a word used to
designate a whole race of mankind --- a whole period of evolution in
each case. ( see S D I 200 ) for an idea of what that covers.

It generally relates to the development of the physical body and does
not define the Mind and its evolution --which is a separate matter.

Man-- as a race of Mind-beings, is said to have been endowed with MIND
( much as children are, by their parents and teachers) about a little
over 18 million years ago ( S D I 150fn) .

In The SECRET DOCTRINE on p. 181, Vol. I we are given 3 lines of
evolution that meet and conjoin in each human. 1. spiritual, 2.
Intellectual and emotional, and 3. physical. There are to be fund
in the S D special words to describe the processes of development and
then of mixing over the period now so dimly recorded in the BIBLE nd
in other primitive Myths and Legends.


1	ADAM IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN


If there was a "garden" into which "Mankind" (as ADAM) was introduced
does this not imply Karma. The "garden" is the result of seeds
already planted long back. It is a "result." But, what were the
causes? Who then found the soil, found the seeds and watered them?
It would seem to be a combination of the Karma of a thinking,
evolving self-conscious Man/Mind living in Nature that caused all this
by earlier interactions. As a locality it is said to be now submerged
S D II 494, the true meaning of EDEN is given in S D II 496,

The TREE OF WISDOM grew in the Garden S D I 114, 247; II 30-1,
97, 215-6, 494, 587,

Tasting the Fruit of the TREE OF WISDOM: S D II 175 (Adam received
intellect), 588 (gives life eternal), [Gives ability to distinguish
Good from Evil: S D I 246; II 4, 124, 214-5, 293, 354-5,
6fn, ]

Adam - the forefather of our race ( we are the reincarnations of
those immortal Egos/MINDS -- the HOST OF THE MANASAPUTRA,
(Mind-born-sons) who were then incarnated in the physical material
bodies of the First Race: S D II 503, 202,

The same immortal Egos/Minds are us.

We are now (as physical men) using the physical bodies that our
present 5th RACE provide. As MINDS we are the "immortal pilgrims:"
ever on the moove, always experiencing the new, always advancing to
wards perfection: S D Ii 203,

"Temptation" (The ORIGINAL SIN) in the Garden of Eden is an INVENTION
:
S D I 383, 414, II 202,

"Original sin" is explained : S D I 383, II 202, 215-16, 387, 484,
513-4, 699,

There never was an "Original sin" : SECRET DOCTRINE II 261, 413,

Serpent, Church made a Devil of it :	S D I 442fn, 73-4, 404, II 505
(not evil), 25-6, 208, 214,



2.	NAMING OF THE ANIMALS


To name anything defines and sets limits to it: S D I 330.

Name (sound) opens the door between the Immortal and the mortal S D I
464,

Ultimate causes of "Sound" "name": S D i 514-17,

Power of Sound in the "name" -- a phonetic and a psychic and a
spiritual force--S D II 767,
S D I 93-5, 137, 269, 293, 438-9, 464, 534-7, 555, 564-5, II 107,
335, 536, 569-70,

Rhythm and Sound related to the elements: S D I307, II 107,

Governed by Septenary Law: S D II 613, 622, 627-8,

Atoms are called "sound" (vibrations) in Occultism : S D I 633, 565,

Forces of Nature are commanded by Colors and Sounds ( vibrations): S
D I 514fn,



3.	NON-BIBLICAL STORY OF LILITH


As I understand this it has to do with the "shadow body birth" -- a
condition of a primordial astral body formation. ( The astral is also
called "chhaya".) S D II 115, 149, 174, 193, 262, 679, S D I
583, This is strictly (as I understand it) a condition and period
that dealt with the evolving of the physical vehicle into which, at a
later date, the Manasaputras (Mind-born-sons) incarnated and became
thereafter OURSELVES.

Described in S D II 174, 285, 285fn,

Pramalocha (a nymph) is the Hindu "Lilith" : S D II 175-6, 714,

Sanjana: (Chayya - birth) S D II 101, 174,

Daughter of Visvakarma: Kronos, Artificer of the Universe, Highest
and Oldest Of The Gods, who sacrifices himself to HIMSELF, and is the
UNIVERSAL SACRIFICE: S D II 559, 605-6, I 207-210, 268,

It is symbolical of the state when, from the early and primitive
astral substance, the burgeoning of the physical body began ( early
3rd Race humanity) -- also described as "perspiration from the pores"
of those early bodies.

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Well, there is enough for a good evening's study.

Best wishes,



Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry F Kolts [mailto:llkingston2@juno.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:14 AM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Adam and Eve Section II

Hearing no vetos, I think we should move on just a little with our
Bible/SD study. We can still go over past points at any time, just
feel
free to ask questions or make comments as the come up. This next
section
is rather short. we will take up three study points, #4 on Adam's
placement in the Garden of Eden, #6 on the naming of the animals, and
#23
on the non-Biblical Story of Lilith.

Study Point #4 Placement in Eden

Gen 2:8 reads: And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and
there he put the man whom he had formed.

HPB has covered Eden twice. The material included in SD is quoted from
her previous research in ISIS. The SD reference is vol II 202 and ISIS
I
575.

She writes "To begin with--the garden of Eden as a locality is no myth
at
all; it belongs to those landmarks of history which occasionally
disclose
to the student that the BIBLE is not all mere allegory. 'Eden, or the
Hebrew GAN-EDEN, meaning the park or garden of Eden, is an archaic
name
of the country watered by the Euphrates and its many branches, from
Asia
and Armenia to the Erythraian Sea'

Interestingly, The Jews, in their ethnocentrism seem to have made the
"center-place" the starting point as it were, close to their own
habitation. It's clear from a reading of Genesis that the Jews known
world was fairly much the land from North Africa to Asia Minor and
perhaps as far east as India. The fertile crescent was the center of
the
known world.

So it seems that the myth was given a very real location.

Study Point #6 Naming the Animals

Gen 2:19-20 reads: And out of the ground the Lord God formed every
beast
of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to
see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living
creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all
cattle,
and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for
Adam
there was not found an help meet for him.

SD vol II: 1-2fn " Thus man was created BEFORE the animals ; for the
animals mentioned in chapter i are the signs of the Zodiac, while the
man, "male and female," is not MAN, but the Host of the Sephiroth;
FORCES, or Angels "made in his(God's) image and after his likeness."
The
Adam, man, is not made in that likeness, nor is it so asserted in the
Bible. More over, the Second Adam is esoterically a septenary which
represents seven men, or rather groups of men. For the first
Adam--the Kadmon-- is the synthesis of the TEN Sephiroth. Of these,
the
upper triad remains in the Archetypal World as the future "Trinity,"
while the seven lower Sephiroth create the manifested material world,
and
THIS SEPTENATE IS THE SECOND ADAM, Genesis, and the mysteries upon
which
it is fabricated, came from Egypt"

Wow!

Does this add information to what we have previously discussed or only
confuse things?

So the First Adam is an Archetype, while the Second is the man of the
seven fold constitution as we have studied in our Matrix Study.

What questions and/or comment do we have here?

The point about Adam having found no helpmeet, logically leads to the
creation of Eve, but the non-Biblical Story of Lilith needs to be
discussed first.

Study Point #23 The Story of Lilith

This is a Jewish non-Biblical myth.

1-Lilith was the first wife of Adam

2-She was created, like Adam out of the dust of the earth, and not
like
Eve, from a rib out of his side.

3-Adam and Lilith were the parents of the host of demons. Indeed,
Lilith
is know as the Queen of the Demons.

4-Adam and Lilith, for all their prolificness, did not hit it off too
well, as Adam demanded that Lilith be subservient to him, while Lilith
maintained since she was of the same manner of creation, she was his
equal. Eve would not have this claim. (Here's a clue Christina to your
question on how women became subservient-but more on that later)

5-Lilith takes off. Adam demands she return. Angels are sent for her,
want to kill her, etc. But she endures after many trials.

6-Lilith becomes the "baby killer" of Jewish legend, her jealousy, for
Eve and her progeny knows no bounds.

7-Protective amulets were fashioned by the Jews to try to protect
their
children form Lilith.

8-Lilith became the Nightmare of Jewish children, the story mothers
told
their kids to get them to behave-"if you're not good, Lilith will get
you"

There are a number of sites I found searching under "The Story of
Lilith,
but this is enough background.

HPB finds two meanings for this tale

SD II 174 "CHHAYA-BIRTH, or that primeval mode of SEXLESS procreation,
the first race having OOZED OUT, so to say from the bodies of the
Pitris,
is hinted at in a Cosmic allegory in the Puranas. It is the beautiful
allegory and story of Sanjana, the daughter of Viswakarman--married to
the
Sun, who 'unable to endure the fervours of her lord,' gave him her
CHHAYA
(shadow, image, or ASTRAL body), while she herself repaired to the
jungle
to perform religious devotions, or TAPAS. The Sun, supposing the
'chhaya'
to be his wife, begat by her children, like Adam and Lilith--an
ETHEREAL
SHADOW also, as in the legend, though an actual living female monster
millions of years ago"

So in one since Lilith is a typeforf the first race, the sweat born.

What of this monster?

SD II:262 "The numberless traditions about Satyrs are no fables, but
represent an extinct race of animal men. The animal 'Eves" were their
foremothers, and the human 'Adams' their forefathers; HENCE THE
KABALISTIC ALLEGORY OF LILITH OR LILATU, Adam's FIRST wife, whom the
Talmud describes as a CHARMING woman, WITH LONG WAVY HAIR, i.e.--a
female
hairy animal of a character now unknown, still a female animal, who in
the Kabalistic and Talmudic allegories is called the female reflection
of
Samael, Samael-Lilith, or man-animal united, a being called Hayo
Bischat,
the Beast or Evil Beast (ZOHAR). It is from this unnatural union that
the
present apes descended."

Now this is the exact point of argument HPB had with the evolutionists
of her day. They maintained that man was descended FROM the apes. The
SD
reveals it is the OTHER WAY AROUND. This is miscegenation in it's true
meaning, man of an earlier race mating with some animal type and
producing the forerunners of modern apes. We should spend some time on
this point as it is most likely new to some and a key point on where
Theosophy has corrected "modern" science. I'll let some other share
their
knowledge of this.

Larry

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