Re: Theos-World P.7:The reincarnation astral "body" falacy.
Apr 18, 2002 02:46 PM
Since all the detractors of HPB's metaphysical teachings in the SD are
complaining about their being harassed off the theosophical study lists by so
called "fundamentalists" and "literalists" -- I thought I'd send out this
letter that was written before Bridgitte was de-listed (for obvious reasons),
Jerry resigned, and Paul complained. It speaks for itself and indicates
that, as far as I am concerned, it was their specious anti theosophical
arguments and propaganda techniques that were the issues, and not a personal
vendetta against them (as they claimed) solely to defend HPB and "dead
In fact, I miss their letters since they offered me the opportunity to answer
them on a purely logical basis consistent with both modern science and
theosophical metaphysics (if properly understood)... As well as the
opportunity to further explore my all inclusive scientific theory of ABC that
is not only consistent with all esoteric metaphysical teachings of holistic
cosmogenetic fields and universal consciousness as the source of all, but
also consistent with all valid "hard" and "soft" theories of modern science.
So, to Paul's and Jerry's complaint's that Adelesie and I, among other
"fundamentalist" theosophists who base all our conclusions on "fundamental
principles" (against which there can be no valid metaphysical or scientific
arguments) have drummed them off the lists -- all I can say is, "Baloney."
In a message dated 03/30/02 2:53:53 PM, email@example.com writes:
>Our ordinary view of ourselves, as conscious, active agents experiencing
>a real external world, is wrong. In other words we live in the illusion
>that we are a separate self. In mystical experiences this separate self
>dissolves and the world is experienced as one - actions happen but
>there is no separate actor who acts. Long practice at meditation or
>mindfulness can also dispel the illusion. Now science seems to be
>coming to the same conclusion - that the idea of a separate conscious
>self is false.
That's only a specious conclusion from a highly limited reductive
materialistic point of view. But, which the latest findings of science --
i.e., Superstring/M-brane, quantum gravity theories, etc. -- now shows could
be the wrong view.
If science is "coming to the same conclusion" that "a separate conscious self
is false," I defy you to prove that statement with scientific evidence. The
question I might ask is; if meditation proves the non existence of the self
or witness, and meditating is a willed "action" who, then, is doing the
meditating, the willing, or the acting?
It's obvious that there is only "one" consciousness in the Universe (although
many different "states" of consciousness, along with their individual centers
of awareness) ... And, therefore, everything (or every "being") in it can be
said to be conscious to one degree or another -- or "aware" of their own
individual surrounding fields that impinge on its individualized "field of
consciousness" emanating from its own particular zero-point center of overall
Otherwise, consciousness couldn't be universally ubiquitous, nor could the
zero-point centers of the universe, and everything in it, be "everywhere"...
As all modern scientific theories, including relativity, quantum, string,
M-brane, etc., confirms.
It's only the "belief" in a "separate consciousness" or Individual separate
self that is maya or illusion... But this doesn't negate the fact that every
individual "being" has a separate and unique center of awareness -- tied to
its ALL containing at(o)mic field that is, in turn, co-energetically linked
to every separate field of "life" within its singular astral-physical body
and their associated "aura" or transcendent fields of non sensory-somatic
consciousness or "awareness" (like willing, thinking, dreaming, recalling,
This superior "at(o)mic" field -- having a vibrational radiant energy -- as
the "carrier" of modulated experiential information or memory of all past
actions, thoughts, visual and somatic memories, talents, etc., that is far
subtler (or of almost infinitely higher frequency, more attractive, and
longer lasting, if not permanent) than all its contained inner fields of
varying substantiality -- must also have its own individual zero-point center
of awareness that is "separate" from all other such centers located within
any of its subordinate inner "body" centered fields.
This at(o)mic, or primarily generative containment field is the one whose
zero-point center is the real "Self awareness" of the individual entity which
carries all its past experiential information gained in previous "lives" (in
the form of innate abilities and other individual characteristics) -- and
"awakens" them upon each subsequent reincarnation -- when such a long
lasting field is attracted by "affinity" to a suitable zygote capable of
receiving its "memory of all prior "impressions" or "skandas," and distribute
them throughout its own seven fold inner multidimensional field nature as it
grows to maturity... Much like the universe, differentiates into all it's
inner "lives" or illusory lower "selves" as it emanates or "inflates" out of
its initial (universal) zero or laya point.
Thus, its primary At(o)mic field and its "carried" vibratory information or
knowledge of past cosmic experiences, is as eternal as its primal zero-point
is... And, as this universal At(o)mic field is the essential "cause" of all
subsequent sub at(o)mic fields of individual beings, their "effects" of
potential or actual "self consciousness" is equally eternal -- since no
energetic vibrational pattern can ever be lost at the highest level of the
"akashic" field until the far distant ending of Brahma's life (and
afterwards, might very well survive in Parabrahm). All that doesn't survive
past the death of each individual body and the dissipation of its physical
energies (including the astral, kama, prana, and rational mind) is the
illusion of the individual self identity with the mind and/or the body, its
desires, and its "life" energy or prana.
To confirm all that; Isn't it obvious that when one steps on a nail, the pain
or experience of self identity is focused entirely in the foot, and
specifically in the exact cell or cells that were damaged by the nail?
Therefore the lower, illusory "animal" self is really many separate selves or
centers of awareness, including that of the brain and all its individual
sensors and their neural channels. But, it is also obvious that there is
only one superior "awareness of our own conscious individuality (being
conscious of our consciousness) that is the zero-point center of the outer,
relatively eternal at(o)mic field that contains and is co-energetically
linked to all of our internal body fields... From the dual
(intuitive-rational) mental nature, through the dual (desire-life force)
emotional nature, to the dual (astral blueprint-physical form) body nature...
Each having its own separate zero-point center of awareness, as well as a
surrounding coenergetic information carrying field of "coadunate but not
consubstantial" energy. Contrary to science's failure, this is the only way
to completely justify the "unity of all," and to solve the, as yet,
unanswered "hard problems of current science; i.e., Explaining conscious
"experience" and the "binding" of mind to brain.
For a further understanding of this distinction between one temporary
"physical" field of consciousness and another, and the ability for the "one"
primal at(o)mic field to contain all these apparently separate fields within
the scope of its initial, near infinite energy and frequency phase level,
check out the following web sites -- or study the Secret Doctrine in
meditative depth (as recommended by HPB), and find out for yourselves how
really scientific, and in conformance with the most modern scientific
theories, the teachings of theosophical multidimensional metaphysics really
Most of your arguments that attempt to deny reincarnation, or the
multidimensional (multi-fold) "coadunate but not consubstantial" (ref: HPB)
nature of all beings -- upon careful analysis, have no scientific or logical
credibility whatsoever... In spite of all the voluminous quotes and
prejudicial interpretations of second hand, hearsay and highly opinionated,
pseudo authoritative historical evidence to the contrary. The theosophical
"synthesis" (and its metaphysical and ethical/moral conclusions) stands on
its own and can only be judged with relationship to the most advanced
synthesis of modern science such as the all inclusive, multidimensional
Supertrings/M-brane paradigm, along with other holistic informational as well
as unified zero-point field theories -- that includes the incorporation and
tying together of currently incompatible relativity and quantum theories.
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