Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00808)

Hi Brigitte and all of you,

A view among many:
The below is certainly interesting.

But I will also have to say, that the below text can be taken from
the ancient "Puranas" by any serious spiritual reader of sanskrit.
And a translation to english most likely will follow that of Randolph and Blavatky, when talking about the below and similarities.
Don't you agree with me on that Brigitte ? 
(I don't have the books in my possesion, so maybe another on Theos-talk will be able to refer to the relevant pages, if it is nescessary for you to know them...)

I agree, that Blavatsky to a certain extent borrowed from the present day terminology, - especially because she was quoting so much from other writersbooks etc. 
The great thing about the book The Secret Doctrine, by Blavatsky - is according to me, that Blavatsky made a book which look strange and clumsy if youread with "dead-letter-view", like near all scentist do these days. But ifyou read with spiritual understand, using "the 7 keys" then the book is wonderful - and spiritual enlightening, - well at least to some. And that is good.

There you see the genius of Blavatsky as a bookwriter. But some don't see it because, they read with "dead-letter-view".

Theosophy is more concerned with MORAL - than with whether it copies from other writers to a certain extent.

The wise gets more from the books than schoolars do.

from
Sufilight with translations....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bri_mue" <bri_mue@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:24 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: the central Sun = "God" not black holes.


> The ioriginator of the specific term "central Sun", have you read his 
> description of the term ?
> Blavatsky had his books and clearly borrowed from him,
> 
> including some of later the teachings of the "Mahatmas" as Steve has 
> shown, even whole book parts from Randolph where copied in the 
> Mahatma letters.
> 
> P.B.Randolph trance teachings basicly statet (published in a dozen
> books 
> in the 1850-60's USA):
> 
> 1.There is a primordial "central, spiritual SUN" which is eternal, 
> invisible and divine, and the "AEther," the "astral fire," 
> the "astral ocean of invisible fire" permeates the universes and acts 
> as the agent of all magical and occult operations .
> 
> 2. Emanating from the divine Central Sun is the spirit, which is a 
> ray of the divine and co eternal with the Sun and yet is in some 
> inchoate way distinct and individualized."
> 
> 3. From the "central, spiritual and Invisible sun" the originally 
> bisexual "monad" radiates, thus beginning its vast journey from the 
> sun, through myriads of transformations, into birth and 
> individualization on its journey back to the sun.'
> 
> 4. On this journey the monad transmigrates through myriads of forms, 
> seeking "individualization" as man the potential stepping off place 
> for perpetual progress through the spheres 
> above.
> 
> 5. Man himself is a trinity of Spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is a
> ray of the eternal, spiritual Sun and is divine.
> 
> 6. Man's soul is matter ethereal and as such is mortal. It can be
> separated from the body and can move independently of it even
> during life. At the same time, the soul is conditionally immortal, 
> and it becomes immortal, if at all, when it is joined with the
> spirit . The goal of the monad's journey through its transmi
> grations is its individualization, the joining of the mortal soul
> with the immortal spirit. "Man is also triune: he has his objective, 
> physical body; his vitalizing astral body (or soul), the real
> man; and these two are brooded over and illuminated by the third the 
> sovereign, the immortal spirit. 
> When the real man succeeds in merging himself with the latter, 
> he becomes an im mortal entity, "
> 
> 7. Immortality is conditional. If man during life sets his mind on
> material things, at death his soul loses 
> contact with the immortal spirit and is doomed to roam the confines 
> of the material world as an "elementary" until it gradually 
> dissolves and is annihilated .
> 
> 8. If man on earth keeps the spiritual in mind, the soul becomes 
> immortal and a "god" and sets out on a vast ascensive journey
> through the spheres, a joint creature of Spirit and soul, and at
> every stage the soul ("Astral Soul") progressively casts off its
> external forms while preserving its individuality and fundamental 
> form for "millions of ages." "[The liberated soul Monad, 
> exultantly rejoins the mother and father spirit, the radiant 
> Augoeides, and the two, merged into one, forever form, with a glory 
> proportioned to the spiritual purity of the past earth life, the Adam 
> who has completed the circle of necessity, and is freed from the last 
> vestige of his physical encasement. Henceforth, growing more and more 
> radiant at each step of his upward progress, he mounts the shining 
> path that ends at the point from which he started around the GRAND 
> CYCLE. (In other trance lectures Randolph spoke of this cycle having 
> 7 steps or phases)
> 
> 9. The goal of the vast process is return to the divine Sun. This is 
> nirvana, but that state is by no means annihilation. It is rather 
> existence in the spirit alone, with the soul " fused" into
> the spirit, free at last of matter and external form.
> 
> The above is from John Patrick Deveney "Pascal Beverly Randolp,"
> every Theosophist should have a copy of this book. A lot can be 
> learned from that book about Blavatsky and the origins of modern 
> Theosphy, for details see the Amazon listing.
> Bri.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "redrosarian" <redrosarian@y...> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "bri_mue" <bri_mue@y...> wrote:
> > > It is clear from Randolph and Blavatsky's writings that the
> central 
> > > Sun is another word for "God" not black holes.
> > 
> > Correction. Blavatsky didn't believe in a personal God. The Atman
> or 
> > Universal Spirit is also known as the Central Spiritual Sun.
> > 
> > As for black holes, it is my personal belief that they are similar
> to 
> > the human chakra system, only on a grander, cosmic scale. Chakras 
> are 
> > also known as fiery wheels or mini-suns.
> > 
> > MNS
> 
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